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PA4SP is pushing hard for one federal bill, and one state bill.  We are asking you to sign one petition, for each.  We will then meet face-to-face with lawmakers, and although they will have received faxes or emails already, we will put the full list of petition signers from their district, in front of them.  Our mission is to get them to commit to voting ‘yes’.   

If they refuse to commit, we will flood their district with flyers (shown below) and go see them again.  If necessary, we will find a way to demonstrate at their district office and get the press there.   We are serious folks.  We will work hard to get these two bills passed.  All we ask is that you take 15 seconds each, and sign them. 

Both petitions require a cell phone number.  There are multiple reasons.  Most important, this eliminates the case where people sign using insults instead of a real name. It also gives us the ability to send a text message notifying you of a rally.  (Any such notice allows you to stop all further notices.)   Please know that the entire petition system is built by our Legislative Director, so we protect your personal data.  It is stored in an encrypted database and not shared with any third party.

Please be sure to sign both petitions, if you have not already.

PA House Bill HB167 – Disparity of Force

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US House Bill HR38 – National Reciprocity

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I've been reading there is some concern on the language used in the National Reciprocity bill that could come back to bite us if unfriendly politicians get the upper hand again.  A lot of comments and reviews I've seen here and there on it express the same concern.  It might be better to continue on the road we have been on even though it is taking longer and is frustrating as all get out.
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(02-22-2017, 06:53 PM)sgtsandman Wrote: I've been reading there is some concern on the language used in the National Reciprocity bill that could come back to bite us if unfriendly politicians get the upper hand again.  A lot of comments and reviews I've seen here and there on it express the same concern.  It might be better to continue on the road we have been on even though it is taking longer and is frustrating as all get out.

No, it is not better to keep the status quo.  There are a lot of anti-gun people planting absurd excuses, and many on our side repeat them because they don't know any better.  

Please post the language that causes concern.

One that I have heard is 'states rights'.  That is, states should not be forced by the feds to comply.  Well, first and foremost, last time I checked individual rights are superior to states rights.  My right to self defense does not stop at the state line.  NJ, NY, MD and the others infringe on my rights.  The feds job is to protect my rights and that is what this would do.

Other arguments are that it could force some states to ban concealed carry completely.  Let them.  In today's environment if the people reelect those same state lawmakers, then that's what they want. My bet is the people are sufficiently emboldened and will fight because they see Trump has fought and won.
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I'm not necessarily against the bill just urging caution.  When we allow the federal government to pass a bill giving them more power, especially over something they already have power over, it can be a dangerous thing.  Here is one "internet expert's" example.  If I can find some of the others I'll put them up but I've seen so many opinions on the subject scattered all over the place and in different locations, I'll have to do some digging.



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Here is one from last year from the National Association for Gun Rights.



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[video=youtube]https://www.full30.com/video/dab2a237bb4...008adf1441[/video]
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These were all I could find in a relatively quick search.  I'll continue to look for the cautions on the subject.  Now, keep in mind, I very much like the idea behind national reciprocity but based on how our government has acted for very long time, since the civil war at least, I don't trust our government any farther than I can throw them and if there is a way they can bend and twist something to their advantage, they will.  Most of Congress is still the same personal gain and power types we had before this last election, so not much has changed there.  With Senators like what we have and who we had to choose from to replace Senator Toomey this last election, we are stuck with quite a few snake oil salesmen.  If national reciprocity does get enacted, we need to make damn sure it's written in such away that it doesn't come back to bite us later.  And we need to keep our elected officials accountable.  Somthing that hasn't been done in a very long time.  Thus why we even are in the position that we need to even consider a national reciprocity bill in the first place.  It should have been nipped in the bud back when the NFA and Hughes Amendment were being considered.
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#9
Looking through the text of the current proposed bill, I can see several different avenues that States will fight this and tie up the issue in litigation for years.  They could abolish their concealed carry laws which would bring up litigation to enact Constitutional Carry or Open carry.  Open carry is not mentioned in the bill, so could be a way to circumvent the law and not recognize other State's concealed carry license.  Yep, it might be quicker to just pursue Constitutional carry in all States....  Maybe.
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#10
Thanks for your work on this.  There are a great many misunderstandings by the people in those videos.  There's too much for me to take on in detail right now, as I'm already late for an appointment, but I need to at least get the basics out.

Here is the bill itself...

Basic Points
  • HR38 is not the same bill that was introduced in past years
  • HR38 is not perfect, but pretty damn close
  • HR38 is so very simple.  It says that if a state allows concealed carry, it must recognize all others that do, without limitation. So visitors are not subject to magazine restrictions, etc.
  • HR38 does not even require a carry permit, but rather, a valid ID and not being prohibited is sufficient
Some other points
  • This does not give the feds additional power.  It resolves contradiction at the federal level.  Feds are supposed to protect our rights.  Our rights do not end at the state line.  SCOTUS has ruled that states can regulate.  So they do.  Federal law must now restrict that regulation.
  • As for "what happens if Dems take control again?". . . give me break.  HR38 is all they need?  It's a joke.  They plan a total ban and some are worried they could misuse a law that prohibits states from restricting our rights?  The argument is absurd.
  • HR38 does not lead to a registry.  Feds would have nothing to do with permitting.  It remains a state process.
Here's the issue as I see it.  Some are opposed because they want "their pet issue" addressed instead.  Well, their pet issue is not being considered right now.  Donald Trump did not run on their pet issue.  He ran on National Reciprocity.  But we have people on our side who would stand in the way, simply because they feel their idea or approach is better.  In fairness, it could be.  But theirs is not anywhere near a reality.  It takes tens of millions of dollars and thousands of manhours to get a bill enacted.  These people who complain are in no position to make their pet issue a reality, but they will deny a good bill from becoming reality to satisfy their own ego or agenda.

This is a good bill, and it is being fought for by many.  We have a real chance at making it happen.  People can be a part of it and able to say they helped, or they can oppose for some self-serving reason, complain, and look foolish later when everyone realizes that there was nothing to complain about.

Gotta go.  Thanks...
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