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VA Gov makes a deal to keep reciprocity
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/vir...story.html

Quote:Va. will again recognize concealed-carry permits from other states

By Jenna Portnoy January 28

RICHMOND — Gov. Terry McAuliffe and Republican leaders will announce Friday they have reached a deal on Virginia’s gun regulations in a surprising moment of compromise on an issue that had threatened to poison the remainder of the governor’s term in office.

McAuliffe (D) agreed to legislation that says the state must recognize concealed-handgun permits from nearly all states — a reversal of Attorney General Mark R. Herring’s decision last month to sever the reciprocity rights of gun owners in 25 states.

In exchange, Republicans softened their stances on issues that have long been non-starters in the GOP-controlled General Assembly. Under the deal, the state would take guns away from anyone who was under a two-year protective order for domestic-violence offenses. And State Police would have to attend all gun shows to provide background checks for private sellers if they requested the service.

[From December: Va. to stop recognizing gun permits from 25 states]

“This is a bipartisan deal that will make Virginians safer,” McAuliffe spokesman Brian Coy said. “It also demonstrates that Democrats and Republicans can work together on key issues like keeping guns out of dangerous hands.”

The agreement marks the first break in a logjam over gun rights and gun control marked by heated rhetoric and could bolster McAuliffe’s legacy as he begins the second half of his term.

“Bipartisanship requires give-and-take by both sides,” said Matt Moran, a spokesman for House Speaker William J. Howell (R-Stafford). “This agreement restores reciprocity for law-abiding Virginians while sending a clear signal about domestic violence. There’s a lot to like here.”

Both sides framed the deal as a win for Herring (D), whose decision on concealed-carry reciprocity motivated both sides to hammer out a deal.

Herring said he was glad to provide the momentum for an apparent compromise but reserved judgment on the legislation, which is still working its way through the General Assembly.

“I’m encouraged to finally see a bipartisan conversation about how we can reduce gun violence and keep guns away from dangerous individuals that shouldn’t have them,” he said. “At the end of the day, the measure of success for this package will be whether the final product that emerges from the legislative process makes Virginians safer.”

Last month, Herring said he was enforcing a Virginia law that says the attorney general must review reciprocity agreements with other states. If lawmakers pass and McAuliffe signs a series of bills changing state law as part of the deal they plan to announce Friday, Herring would have to adhere to a new set of laws.

As political leaders applauded a rare bout of consensus, reaction from activists was mixed. The National Rifle Association had panned Herring’s move last month but applauded McAuliffe and GOP lawmakers for coming to an agreement.

“The National Rifle Association commends leaders in the Commonwealth for moving forward on a bipartisan package that will benefit Virginia citizens,” Chris W. Cox, executive director of NRA’s Institute for Legislative Action, the organization’s lobbying arm, said in a statement.

But the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence reacted bitterly in a message on its Facebook page. The group said McAuliffe has bragged about “his administration’s aggressive new approach to confronting the National Rifle Association.”

“Now he’s preparing to cave to them,” the message said. “As far as we are aware, there is not a single gun violence prevention advocate in Virginia who was informed about this deal before it was done. We all stand in opposition to it.”

That’s just the sort of rancor that McAuliffe’s public safety secretary, Brian J. Moran, and state Sen. Bryce E. Reeves (R-Spotsylvania) said they strived to avoid as they quietly negotiated a compromise taking into account diverging personalities and political realities.

The pair traded messages and phone calls at all hours, starting two weeks ago around the time when lawmakers returned to Richmond for the legislative session.

A key moment came Tuesday night when the tentative agreement appeared ready to unravel. Reeves, Moran and two NRA lobbyists met at Rappahannock Restaurant for an oyster dinner — and to remind themselves what was at stake. In walked Secretary of the Commonwealth Levar Stoney, a McAuliffe confidant. Together they figured it out.

“Anybody who says the ‘Virginia Way’ is dead. It’s not dead. It’s alive and well,” Reeves said. “We can find compromise on the most contentious issues if we can shelve the politics and work together.”

Moran said: “This is a historic agreement for its bipartisanship. Virginians will be truly safer today than they were yesterday because of this agreement.”

The policy changes will come in the form of bipartisan legislation before the General Assembly.

A Senate panel Wednesday evening passed Reeves’s bill restoring reciprocity. It includes an amendment offered by Sen. Chap Petersen (D-Fairfax City) that says Virginia will not honor an out-of-state concealed-carry permit held by a person whose Virginia concealed-carry permit was previously revoked — a practice known as “state shopping.”

The domestic-violence bill will be carried by Sen. Janet D. Howell (D-Fairfax) and Del. Kathleen Murphy (D-Fairfax). It would require individuals subject to a permanent protective order to sell or transfer their guns within 24 hours of the judge’s order. State law currently prohibits the purchase or transport — but not possession — of guns by such individuals. Federal law prohibits all three.

Sen. John S. Edwards (D-Roanoke) and Del. L. Scott Lingemfelter (R-Prince William) are carrying the background-checks bill, which would be funded by $100,000 included in McAuliffe’s budget proposal. Unlike licensed dealers, private sellers are blocked from accessing the federal guns database to conduct background checks.
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Monty Hall must be sooo proud. Dodgy

Funny, how when there is a "compromise" regarding the 2nd amendment, only the gun owners lose.
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spblademaker;172340 Wrote:Monty Hall must be sooo proud. Dodgy

Funny, how when there is a "compromise" regarding the 2nd amendment, only the gun owners lose.

What exactly was lost?

I can now carry in VA, if someone wishes to have a background check done at at show they can do so if they choose to and the PFA thing is now in line with federal law.
Am I missing something?
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The fact is that the entire thing was a political power play. And possibly even a backdoor deal before the reciprocity thing was put on the table.

The democrats "look good" because they are affecting the fake "gun show loophole", since private sales of firearms in VA, including handguns, don't require a background check.
http://www.vsp.state.va.us/Firearms.shtm

And the republicans "look good" because they saved the reciprocity.

The PFA should have been addressed separately at an earlier date.
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spblademaker;172358 Wrote:The fact is that the entire thing was a political power play. And possibly even a backdoor deal before the reciprocity thing was put on the table.

The democrats "look good" because they are affecting the fake "gun show loophole", since private sales of firearms in VA, including handguns, don't require a background check.
http://www.vsp.state.va.us/Firearms.shtm

And the republicans "look good" because they saved the reciprocity.

The PFA should have been addressed separately at an earlier date.
They are not requiring background checks, the state police are there if someone wants to use the service is how I am reading it.

To be honest, I see no problem with that as long as it's voluntary which is what I am seeing.
There have been times I passed on selling someone a gun due to their looks and demeanor, if I have access to a PICS or NICS I might have made the sale.
I don't think any private sale should require PICS or NICS including handguns like we are forced to have, but having the option isn't a bad thing IMO.
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Correct, I never stated anything other, regarding the checks.

But even an FFL reserves the right to not sell to someone too if they get that vibe. Like if an Amish guy wearing tactical yoga pants comes in carrying a 10' penis, yelling, "It's time!"
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I'm still not seeing where gunowners lost anything, and continuing to get a clarification seems pointless so I'll move on to some other topic...
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Sorry about that. I'm just seeing this as one move in a political chess game, and the actions and reactions between the two parties. I know it looks like a wash, but I'm just seeing groundwork being put down by the Dems that may lead to rights being lost or encroached on, albeit minute. Of course I may be completely off on this as it wouldn't be the first time I lost a chess match. I may need a looser fitting tin foil hat. Shrug Big Grin
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39Flathead;172368 Wrote:They are not requiring background checks, the state police are there if someone wants to use the service is how I am reading it.

To be honest, I see no problem with that as long as it's voluntary which is what I am seeing.

They're claiming the checks are voluntary. However, I'd be willing to bet the first time someone who chooses NOT to have the check done mistakenly sells to someone prohibited, they'll bring charges against the seller. Following the logic of "well, the state police were there to do background checks, had you had one performed, you'd have known the buyer was prohibited...."
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ivwarrior;172388 Wrote:
39Flathead;172368 Wrote:They are not requiring background checks, the state police are there if someone wants to use the service is how I am reading it.

To be honest, I see no problem with that as long as it's voluntary which is what I am seeing.

They're claiming the checks are voluntary. However, I'd be willing to bet the first time someone who chooses NOT to have the check done mistakenly sells to someone prohibited, they'll bring charges against the seller. Following the logic of "well, the state police were there to do background checks, had you had one performed, you'd have known the buyer was prohibited...."
Does Virginia have a law that holds a seller responsible for unwittingly selling a firearm to a prohibited person?
If not, it would make no difference if the state police are there to offer checks or not.

Don't get me wrong guys, I don't trust the gov't when gun rights are concerned, it's just that there are legitimate over reaches going on that people should be focused on, not legislation that has pretty much zero negative bearing on gun owners.
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