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VEPR 12 Ammo Testing
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It's been a few days now and I finally have the VEPR 12 dialed in where I'm happy. I was able to get it to run most low brass target loads but not all. The bolt got a complete polish job, the guide rails in the receiver were polished and the hammer was reprofiled and polished as well. If anyone is interested I can go into more details about the exact process but the info is readily available on the interwebz. After cleaning and lubing these are my ammo test results so far.

Winchester Universal 2-3/4", 7.5 shot, 1-1/8oz, 1200fps, 2.5 dram?
This stuff did not work at all. Maybe 1 out of every 50 would eject by luck but almost every shot would barely leave the chamber before it jammed into the feed ramps or stovepiped. When they did eject it was about 2 feet away at about 2 o'clock.
***Edit to add (1-26-16) This load would cycle 50% of the time with the CNC Warrior 4pc Booster installed.

Estate 2-3/4", 7.5 shot, 1-1/8oz, 1200fps, 3 dram
I had similar results with this ammo and this load would not function properly in the VEPR 12.
***Edit to add (1-26-16) This load would cycle fine with the CNC Warrior 4pc Booster installed.

Winchester Super Target 2-3/4", 8 shot, 1-1/8oz, 1200fps, 3 dram
Same results, would not cycle and stovepiped like the rest. I had hopes for this load considering its advertised as a 3 dram heavy target load but it just fell short.
***Edit to add (1-26-16) This load would cycle fine with the CNC Warrior 4pc Booster installed.

Suprema 2-3/4", 8 shot, 1oz, 1315fps, 3-1/4 dram
This is ammo made by Tulammo. It was the cheapest ammo I tested here at just over 19 cents a round compared to 21 cents a round for the bulk pack stuff. With a good shooting stance and a firm grip you could get it to function fine but just barely. The shells would land about 2 feet away at about 2 o'clock. Mrs_Gixxer tried this load and couldn't get a good firm stance like I could and her body would absorb enough recoil to make the shotgun jam. It's a good cheap load if you have the proper shooting technique but you may want to spend a little more and be confident it will run.

Winchester AA 2-3/4", 8 shot, 1-1/8oz, 1300fps, 3-1/4 dram
This stuff ran pretty good. Empties would fling out about 3-4 feet to the 2 o'clock position and recoil was manageable. I doubt this would give an inexperienced shooter any problems but it comes at a small increase in price at about 31 cents a round. No issues with this ammo and the hulls seemed like quality with their smooth dark grey exterior.

Remington Premier Nitro 2-3/4", 8 shot, 1-1/8oz, 1300fps, 3-1/4 dram
This shot the best out of the cheapo target loads I tested so far and comes in at the same price as the Winchester AA. The empty shells blasted out of the VEPR with authority about 8 feet to the 2 o'clock position with every shot. This will be my go to ammo for clay shooting for sure. Mrs_Gixxer had no issues getting these to feed for her considering her light frame. The hulls are a fancy gold color and are extremely smooth on the outside.

Winchester PDX1 Defender 2-3/4", 1Oz Slug/3-00 Buck, 1150fps
This is the bedside ammo. It functions just fine considering the fps they advertise.



I will be testing more loads in the near future and I will add to this list when I can. I have some other target loads I'd like to try and maybe some game loads, slugs and buckshot to see how they all stack up. 1300 fps, 3-1/4 dram loads seem to be the minimum to get the VEPR 12 to run, anything over that should be just fine.
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Guns that are fussy about ammo are prime candidates for hand loads. I don't know if you're set up for shotshell loading but you should be able to cook up a load that VEPR likes for near the price of Winchester El Cheapo rounds.

BTW those Remmy Nitro hulls are my favs when it comes to reloading. Not only are they sturdy and take a crimp like a champ but the Gold color makes em stand out from all the rest of the empties you'll find around the range.

Good luck with the new gun. I'm insanely jealous.
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Reloading 12ga has been something I've wanted to do for a long time. Now that I have the workshop too I'd have a place to put all the equipment and supplies.

I went back to wally world last night and bought all the Remy Nitro they had. Big Grin
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Maybe you're limp-wristing your shotgun?? Roflmao
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spblademaker;171545 Wrote:Maybe you're limp-wristing your shotgun?? Roflmao

You know it's funny you say that. Even though it's a gas operated gun and not a direct blowback it still can be "limp shouldered" as evidenced by the Suprema ammo tests. You really have to lean into the stock and tuck it in square and tight to get them to run or else they jam.
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Mr_Gixxer;171547 Wrote:
spblademaker;171545 Wrote:Maybe you're limp-wristing your shotgun?? Roflmao

You know it's funny you say that. Even though it's a gas operated gun and not a direct blowback it still can be "limp shouldered" as evidenced by the Suprema ammo tests. You really have to lean into the stock and tuck it in square and tight to get them to run or else they jam.

Feel free to send me all that crappy ammo. My 930 will eat it up. Blush
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spblademaker;171554 Wrote:
Mr_Gixxer;171547 Wrote:You know it's funny you say that. Even though it's a gas operated gun and not a direct blowback it still can be "limp shouldered" as evidenced by the Suprema ammo tests. You really have to lean into the stock and tuck it in square and tight to get them to run or else they jam.

Feel free to send me all that crappy ammo. My 930 will eat it up. Blush

A lot of 930s will experience the same problems with the ultra light 1200 fps 3 dram target loads I'd bet. I have other uses for the super cheap stuff, manual actions can handle anything (obviously). With time I'm sure I might find better luck running these loads when the gun gets more trigger time.
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Mr_Gixxer;171555 Wrote:
spblademaker;171554 Wrote:Feel free to send me all that crappy ammo. My 930 will eat it up. Blush

A lot of 930s will experience the same problems with the ultra light 1200 fps 3 dram target loads I'd bet. I have other uses for the super cheap stuff, manual actions can handle anything (obviously). With time I'm sure I might find better luck running these loads when the gun gets more trigger time.

I think they enlarged to gas ports on the 930s to keep that from happening with the new ones. Mine eats everything. I agree that yours will probably get better once you run it a bunch of times.

What are your options regarding the gas regulator and puc? I know Carolina Shooter Supply makes stuff for the Saiga 12 and Vepr.
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So I got one of CNC Warrior's 4pc Booster muzzle devices today on a hunch that it could improve the reliability with some of the less than 3-1/4 dram loads. I searched and searched online to find other people's experiences with them either with the VEPR 12 or the Saiga 12 and couldn't find a definitive answer so I took a chance.

The V12 ran great with the Estate 3 dram loads I listed above now and the 2-3/4 dram Winchester Universal stuff went from 100% failure rate to about 50%. There was a slight increase in recoil as expected and I can easily screw this on when I want to run 3 dram stuff which will be nice when I want to switch from hunting to shoozing clays. This also means I can probably run the Federal bulk pack 1200fps, 3 dram stuff now too so I'll have to add that to the next test.

For 90 bucks is it worth it? I think so. The ammo selection at the gun shop just got a little wider now so that's a plus in my book. When I want to run heavier loads like buck or slugs it's just a matter of unscrewing the booster instead of pissing around with different springs or something. With the VEPR 12 not having a selectable gas regulator like the Saigas and the Furys this is about the best option for tailoring this shotgun to the load IMO.

YMMV.
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Test #2

Picked up some more of the cheap ammo to try. Put 5 rounds down range of each using the Molot 5 round mag that the gun came with lIke before. The only new mechanical mods I ran for this test were the install of a Tapco G2 trigger polished on all friction surfaces as well as the drift pins, new trigger mainspring and a CSS gas puck. None of which had any affect on performance that I could tell. FWIW.

I also have the CNC Warrior 4pc Booster that will only be used in cases where the load wouldn't cycle with no muzzle device. I will note the tests that required this for function, see the edits in the original post.

Federal 100ct Bulk Pack Target Load 2-3/4", 7.5shot, 1-1/8oz, 1200fps, 3dram
This is the bulk pack stuff you can find at the Wally World. No issues running this ammo, Empties ejected at 2 o'clock and about 3 feet away.

Federal Dove and Small Game 2-3/4", 8shot, 1-1/8oz, 1200fps, 3dram
This is the absolute cheapest box of ammo I could find at around $4.95 a box. They cycled fine and ejected like the bulk pack Federal loads. I will definitely be stocking up on this load for general plinking, it doesn't get much cheaper than this unless you reload.

Suprema 2-3/4", 7.5shot, 1oz, 1315fps, 3-1/4dram
I recently tested the 8 shot version of this and figured I'd give this shot size a try for gits and shiggles. No issues here as expected. Very good price on this ammo compared to others making this a great load for plinking or for hordes of zombie pigeons.

I'll have to do some more searching now to find some other brands and offerings of target loads. Maybe get some low recoil stuff too. I'd surmise that anything with a shot size larger than what I have tested would work just fine, not including low recoil or something like that.

I'd also like to note that what some others have said about the cheap Winchester stuff may be true. They are definitely loaded lighter than what they claim or something. The federal stuff is way better so I would stay away from the Winchester white box stuff if you can. I was able to get them to run but not without a little convincing.
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