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Verify Voting
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So I'm reading all these stories where there's electronic voting machines that are supposedly changing votes from one candidate to another. It got me thinking. How can you as a citizen actually verify that your vote was indeed cast for the correct person?

In my district we fill out a paper ballot which is then scanned into a machine. The top gets torn off and handed to us which has the serial number of the ballot on it. But what is the actual process for verifying that your vote has been properly tallied?

As someone said, it isn't the voter that decides the election, it's the vote counter. Obviously computerized voting was sold to the public under the idea that we'd be removing the human (read dishonest) element from the equation. But since the software is programmed by a human employed by a company that gives monies to political parties, it would seem the human element is still deeply involved.
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#2
I have seen people say have the machines print out a receipt. Well if the machine can log the vote wrong, it can just as easily be programmed to print out wrong.
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'It's not the people who vote that count, it's the people who count the votes'

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Lee-online;33121 Wrote:'It's not the people who vote that count, it's the people who count the votes'

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kadar;32969 Wrote:I have seen people say have the machines print out a receipt. Well if the machine can log the vote wrong, it can just as easily be programmed to print out wrong.

Unfortunately, yep.

Lee-online;33121 Wrote:'It's not the people who vote that count, it's the people who count the votes'

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To a point. Want to be really disenfranchised? The electoral college that decides the election. If they all wanted to, they could all vote for Ron Paul Wink. This being said - and from what I understand of the political process - if the E.C. were to do this, it would be a scandal bigger than Watergate and Begnhazi combined. Voting is still very important, but I think the voting process in America needs a major update to account for modern technology - at the very least transportation. I also think we should go back to paper voting ballots.[/i]
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Even going back to only paper ballots, unless a majority of the people were to actually take the time to somehow verify that their vote was indeed tallied properly, you have no way of knowing if your vote actually went to the right person.

Considering how corrupt all levels of government currently are, how can you really be sure that any election is done correctly?
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streaker69;33128 Wrote:Even going back to only paper ballots, unless a majority of the people were to actually take the time to somehow verify that their vote was indeed tallied properly, you have no way of knowing if your vote actually went to the right person.

Considering how corrupt all levels of government currently are, how can you really be sure that any election is done correctly?

How about a mechanical counter for each candidate that increases with each vote. This way, the voter can see that their vote was accepted and how the voting is going on their machine. Because the mechanical tally is only per machine and only one person sees it at a time, there wouldn't be any privacy issues. In theory, the machines can be designed to immediately and automatically send a signal to a sub-station that automatically tallies the votes. This data can be sent to local, regional, and national centers that would eventually lead to a final count.

The machines can be generic but denoted so that each election they count for a different party than before. This way people should be less likely to rig a machine when it is manufactured. Any other ideas?

It is not perfect, but I think it is better than what we have now. At some point, we have to trust "someone" that our votes are actually being counted. I mean, it is entirely possible for "the powers that be" to see 0 votes for their candidate and declare them the winner...
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#8
I like the idea of a mechanical voting machine. One that isn't tamperable. A simply machine, with levers. Pull the lever of the candidate and hit the button to confirm. The machine mechanically keeps track with those little number wheelies. One lever pull per person.
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#9
I know in my voting place, there are Repubs and Dems that watch over the counting.

I suppose one could switch over to the other "side", but I know the Repub guy and I know the fanatical Dem lady, neither is going to sway.

And even if they did, this would have to go on across the state.

I'm not saying this is not a valid argument, it is, but I would hope that those overseeing the process would take note that something is awry.

If 250 Repubs cast ballots and 500 Dems and the tally comes out to 700 votes for the Dem or 550 for the Repub, I think someone would say something.

Sure there is going to be a difference, but the amount that would be needed to sway I think would be noticed in the end and a recount ordered.

At least I hope so.
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I'm pretty sure there are more than a handful of districts that have shady voting tactics.

Republicans who win have to win a very large percentage (true count) to get into office, IMHO, to make up for all the fraud.
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