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Viper's "Not as Cool at Jah's Ninja Thread" OC Log
#21
Not even close to the level of awesomeness my shirt brings. lol
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#22
This evening, PiP, the munchkin and I went to the Target in Springfield to pick up a few things. About $180 worth, all told - we were there for about an hour or so. About halfway through our adventure, two uniformed Loss Prevention employees began stalking us as we were looking at K-Cups for my Keurig machine. I figured they were probably there for me, but I didn't pay them any mind since they hadn't said anything yet. While I was talking to PiP, I did happen to overhear one phrase that one of the LP guys said, which she confirmed later - "...well, he probably knows better than I do." I don't know who he was referring to.

As we were about to get on the escalator to go to the bottom floor, one of the LP guys stopped us.

"Hey, can I bother you folks for a second?"
"Sure, what's up?"
"Well, I have a License to Carry, and if it weren't for me being in uniform and on the clock for Target, I'd be open carrying too - I know what the laws are in Pennsylvania - but we have had a couple of customers complain about your gun being out in the open and all. They aren't comfortable with you carrying like that."
"Okay."
"Would you be able to cover up?"
"Well - I feel where you're coming from, and I totally respect that you're doing your job. But, I don't really have much concern for the comfort of others - I carry to keep myself and my family safe."
He nodded. The other LP employee came over and stood by. "If it weren't for us being called out because of a complaining customer, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. I don't care how you carry, but the one guy was being a real pain."
"He was adamant?"
The second LP fellow spoke up. "Yeah - he was going on and on about how if we didn't do something about you, he was going to call 9-1-1. It got to the point where I just told him, 'You know what? You go ahead and do whatever it is you feel like you have to do.'"
I chuckled. "Like I said, I have no problem with people who don't feel 'comfortable,' but that's none of my concern. If someone wants to ask me questions about the legality of open carry, that's one thing, but if it upsets them, that's their business. I don't cover up for people who freak out - that's just not how I roll. Now, if Target had a policy against it, I would do what I needed to abide by that."
"The only policy I know of is state law, and open carry is cool in PA."

We seemed to have a mutual understanding at this point - I wasn't being asked to leave, the LP guys had no problem with me, and the person complaining about me was under the impression that open carry was illegal. No further conversation was really needed - I shook hands with the LP guys and went on my way.

At one point, while crossing the store to go find new sneakers, I happened to pick up on a line of conversation between two customers, one of which might have been the one who had complained. I didn't stick around to hear more, but as I walked by, one man factually stated to the other, "In Pennsylvania, open carry is legal."

If the person he was talking to was the person who complained, it seems like he may have gained a little bit of knowledge tonight.
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ViperGTS19801;23564 Wrote:This evening, PiP, the munchkin and I went to the Target in Springfield to pick up a few things. About $180 worth, all told - we were there for about an hour or so. About halfway through our adventure, two uniformed Loss Prevention employees began stalking us as we were looking at K-Cups for my Keurig machine. I figured they were probably there for me, but I didn't pay them any mind since they hadn't said anything yet. While I was talking to PiP, I did happen to overhear one phrase that one of the LP guys said, which she confirmed later - "...well, he probably knows better than I do." I don't know who he was referring to.

As we were about to get on the escalator to go to the bottom floor, one of the LP guys stopped us.

"Hey, can I bother you folks for a second?"
"Sure, what's up?"
"Well, I have a License to Carry, and if it weren't for me being in uniform and on the clock for Target, I'd be open carrying too - I know what the laws are in Pennsylvania - but we have had a couple of customers complain about your gun being out in the open and all. They aren't comfortable with you carrying like that."
"Okay."
"Would you be able to cover up?"
"Well - I feel where you're coming from, and I totally respect that you're doing your job. But, I don't really have much concern for the comfort of others - I carry to keep myself and my family safe."
He nodded. The other LP employee came over and stood by. "If it weren't for us being called out because of a complaining customer, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. I don't care how you carry, but the one guy was being a real pain."
"He was adamant?"
The second LP fellow spoke up. "Yeah - he was going on and on about how if we didn't do something about you, he was going to call 9-1-1. It got to the point where I just told him, 'You know what? You go ahead and do whatever it is you feel like you have to do.'"
I chuckled. "Like I said, I have no problem with people who don't feel 'comfortable,' but that's none of my concern. If someone wants to ask me questions about the legality of open carry, that's one thing, but if it upsets them, that's their business. I don't cover up for people who freak out - that's just not how I roll. Now, if Target had a policy against it, I would do what I needed to abide by that."
"The only policy I know of is state law, and open carry is cool in PA."

We seemed to have a mutual understanding at this point - I wasn't being asked to leave, the LP guys had no problem with me, and the person complaining about me was under the impression that open carry was illegal. No further conversation was really needed - I shook hands with the LP guys and went on my way.

At one point, while crossing the store to go find new sneakers, I happened to pick up on a line of conversation between two customers, one of which might have been the one who had complained. I didn't stick around to hear more, but as I walked by, one man factually stated to the other, "In Pennsylvania, open carry is legal."

If the person he was talking to was the person who complained, it seems like he may have gained a little bit of knowledge tonight.

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#24
Viper, am I correct to assume you were at the stand alone Target and not the one in the Springfeild mall?
You have a right to protect yourself and a duty to protect your family.
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#25
(10-02-2012, 05:40 PM)bogey1 Wrote: I call bullshit on hitting a fly off a horses ass.


Big Grin

Ditto I have the same gun as Viper ;-)
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#26
I once had Target LP guys follow me around. It probably had more to do with the shit I was stuffing in my jacket than it did with open carry, though.


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#27
Rep inbound. Sounds like someone got an education from a LP employee that knew that laws. That is what is most surprising to me. Great job

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#28
I think Viper went to the Target that's just pass the Mall inside the Blue Route. I've always found the stand-alone store to be easier to get in and out of than the mall.

I'm surprised that you had that encounter that far out from the city. Since Target LP's never pointed out who the complainer was (my guess an ex-city resident who's landed somewhere in Ridley Park or Prospect Park).

It's kinda strange since within the City, Viper's encounter and front page splash in the DN has kinda quashed quite a bit of ignorance of OC within the City. Most people now at least are aware that it is legal in PA within Philly--but they share my concern (OC is not worth the trouble or the risk within the city), or they're just completely anti.

I have noticed a pick-up in the number of hipsters that are turning up at gun ranges. Apparently some hipsters can fit Sigs into their lives full of soy mocha lattees and fixed-gear bicycles.
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#29
ArcticSplash;23967 Wrote:Apparently some hipsters can fit Sigs into their lives full of soy mocha lattees and fixed-gear bicycles.
Sigs are hipster guns now? Man that explains why my brother got one.
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#30
Viper. I was oc at the Springfield mall on 10-23-12. It was my little girls b-day and I took her to lunch. (We both played hookey). I just wanted to toss that out there since I don't have an oc log myself.

Like I said in our pm's I don't want to know.Big Grin
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