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Virginia to end concealed carry reciprocity
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/vir...story.html

Quote:RICHMOND — Attorney General Mark R. Herring (D) plans to announce Tuesday that Virginia will no longer recognize concealed carry handgun permits from 25 states that have reciprocity agreements with the commonwealth.

The move also means Virginians with a history of stalking, drug dealing or inpatient mental-health treatment cannot obtain a permit in a state with comparatively lax laws and carry a handgun legally at home.

Herring said severing the out-of-state agreements can prevent people who may be dangerous or irresponsible from carrying a concealed weapon.

“To me, this is a commonsense step that can help make Virginians and our law enforcement officers safer by ensuring that Virginia’s laws on who can and cannot carry a concealed handgun are applied evenly, consistently, and fairly,” he said in a statement provided to The Washington Post.

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This year, Herring’s office began a review of reciprocity agreements Virginia has with 30 other states. Attorneys discovered that 25 of those states had concealed handgun permit regulations that were weaker than Virginia’s.

The State Police superintendent accepted Herring’s recommendation to sever agreements with those states, effective Feb. 1, according to Herring’s office.

The states are: Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Delaware, Florida, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Minnesota, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, New Mexico, North Dakota, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Washington, Wisconsin and Wyoming.

Agreements will remain with West Virginia, Michigan, Oklahoma, Texas and Utah.

~SNIP~

Visitors to Virginia can still obtain a non-resident permit if they meet a separate set of standards set forth in the law.
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That stinks! We have gone to NC several times and it was nice that we only had to worry about MD. But in VA the cops are everywhere, too. Ugh.
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RugerGirl;171165 Wrote:That stinks! We have gone to NC several times and it was nice that we only had to worry about MD. But in VA the cops are everywhere, too. Ugh.

Utah CFP will still be accepted in VA. If you don't already have one you might look into getting one.

http://bci.utah.gov/concealed-firearm/

http://bci.utah.gov/wp-content/uploads/s...172015.pdf

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This sucks for VA residents. But only if other states also sever the agreement and no longer recognize their permit. My brother lives in VA Beach and never travels without a firearm. He can't even get a UT, AZ or FLA as PA now only recognizes RESIDENT permits.

I advised my brother to call the AG and bitch.
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soberbyker;171166 Wrote:
RugerGirl;171165 Wrote:That stinks! We have gone to NC several times and it was nice that we only had to worry about MD. But in VA the cops are everywhere, too. Ugh.

Utah CFP will still be accepted in VA. If you don't already have one you might look into getting one.

http://bci.utah.gov/concealed-firearm/

http://bci.utah.gov/wp-content/uploads/s...172015.pdf

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I need to. Plus I have family in Utah.
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soberbyker;171166 Wrote:
RugerGirl;171165 Wrote:That stinks! We have gone to NC several times and it was nice that we only had to worry about MD. But in VA the cops are everywhere, too. Ugh.

Utah CFP will still be accepted in VA. If you don't already have one you might look into getting one.

http://bci.utah.gov/concealed-firearm/

http://bci.utah.gov/wp-content/uploads/s...172015.pdf

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That is good news. I was going to check on that since I do have to travel through VA to visit family. Glad to have the Utah license still be relevant. I had originally got it for OH but then OH and PA decided to play nice.
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bigdawgbeav;171167 Wrote:This sucks for VA residents. But only if other states also sever the agreement and no longer recognize their permit. My brother lives in VA Beach and never travels without a firearm. He can't even get a UT, AZ or FLA as PA now only recognizes RESIDENT permits.

I advised my brother to call the AG and bitch.

Does he have a VA license, if so he can get a PA LTCF. PA doesn't require the out of state license/permit be a reciprocal one in order to get the LTCF, just that he have one, at least that's the way it looks to me.

Quote:18 Pa.C.S. § 6109: Licenses
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(e)(1) A license to carry a firearm shall be for the purpose of carrying a firearm concealed on or about one's person or in a vehicle and shall be issued if, after an investigation not to exceed 45 days, it appears that the applicant is an individual concerning whom no good cause exists to deny the license. A license shall not be issued to any of the following:
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(ix) A resident of another state who does not possess a current license or permit or similar document to carry a firearm issued by that state if a license is provided for by the laws of that state, as published annually in the Federal Register by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms of the Department of the Treasury under 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(19) (relating to definitions).
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I'm on the fence about national reciprocity! On one hand, it is better left in the hands of the states but on the other hand, state government is a fucking joke! I'd like to see national reciprocity pass just to stuff it to that attorney general!
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RocketFoot;171171 Wrote:I'm on the fence about national reciprocity! On one hand, it is better left in the hands of the states but on the other hand, state government is a fucking joke! I'd like to see national reciprocity pass just to stuff it to that attorney general!

Plus, what if drivers' licenses were left in the hands of the state? Any state could just randomly decide you can't drive there unless you pay THEM for your local license. That would be a disaster.

Since cars are weapons too, I don't see why they can't both be run the same way.
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soberbyker;171170 Wrote:
bigdawgbeav;171167 Wrote:This sucks for VA residents. But only if other states also sever the agreement and no longer recognize their permit. My brother lives in VA Beach and never travels without a firearm. He can't even get a UT, AZ or FLA as PA now only recognizes RESIDENT permits.

I advised my brother to call the AG and bitch.

Does he have a VA license, if so he can get a PA LTCF. PA doesn't require the out of state license/permit be a reciprocal one in order to get the LTCF, just that he have one, at least that's the way it looks to me.

Quote:18 Pa.C.S. § 6109: Licenses
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(e)(1) A license to carry a firearm shall be for the purpose of carrying a firearm concealed on or about one's person or in a vehicle and shall be issued if, after an investigation not to exceed 45 days, it appears that the applicant is an individual concerning whom no good cause exists to deny the license. A license shall not be issued to any of the following:
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(ix) A resident of another state who does not possess a current license or permit or similar document to carry a firearm issued by that state if a license is provided for by the laws of that state, as published annually in the Federal Register by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms of the Department of the Treasury under 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(19) (relating to definitions).

You are correct, it doesn't have to be reciprocal. Go up north and lots of N.Y. residents have non-res PA licenses and they don't have an agreement with anyone. The nice thing is if you aren't a resident you can apply to any county sheriff for the license. It's usually best to call around to find the easiest one.
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