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Virginia to end concealed carry reciprocity
I'll float that idea to him next time he comes for a visit.

RocketFoot's Minion since 09-07-2012
RocketFoot;171171 Wrote:I'm on the fence about national reciprocity! On one hand, it is better left in the hands of the states but on the other hand, state government is a fucking joke! I'd like to see national reciprocity pass just to stuff it to that attorney general!

The thing that gets me is that it shouldn't be necessary. State Constitutions are supposed to be substantially similar t the U.S. Constitution and it's pretty clear about the subject. And yet, we have reciprocity issues. Mean while driver's licenses, which are not a right, are handed out like candy regardless of a person's criminal record or mental state and are recognized by every State, Territory, and Protectorate in the country.
sgtsandman, proud to be a member of since Nov 2014.
Run for State Constable and win, then you can carry anywhere can't you?

I avoid any state that does not recognize my right to life, no more trips to Virginia Beach for me.
And no, I refuse to pay for a Utah permit so another state can benefit from my vacation money, so that's out for me.

Looks like Ohio and W.VA for driving trips.
Some people need to read this book:

F*ck Virginia!
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Well it is a commonwealth. Look for it to happen here
"Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity"

goofin, proud to be a member of since Sep 2012.
Or... just open carry.

Unlike PA, open carry of a loaded firearm (pistol or revolver) carried on or about your person or anywhere in or on a vehicle is legal as long as it is not concealed. It is NOT automatically illegal once you you get in/on a vehicle.

So open carry and watch the anti's little plan blow up in their faces.
“Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.”

William Pitt
Quote:VCDL - Virginia Citizens Defense League, Inc.


First, I’d like to offer an apology to our fellow CHP holders from the 25 states that are about to lose recognition on February 1st.

All of you who have visited Virginia over the years have been exemplary and have not caused any problems within the Commonwealth.

This is NOT about you or anything you have done that was wrong.

It’s about our Governor, Terry McAuliffe, and our Attorney General, Mark Herring, who were both elected by a very small margin, and are a great embarrassment to Virginians. Neither of these individuals are reflective of the attitudes toward liberty and freedom and the values that we cherish here in Virginia. In fact, both have been referred to as “lawless” by some of our own General Assembly members, many of who are going to work to fix the situation we find ourselves in.

Here in the Old Dominion, the anger of gun owners at what our Attorney General has done is palpable, and I cannot remember anything to match it. Herring and McAuliffe have endangered your lives when you travel here and our lives when we travel outside of Virginia. SIX MILLION CHP holders in half the country are affected!
And all this treachery was done as political payback to Michael Bloomberg for campaign contributions.

VCDL will be working to fix this problem from various angles and we will be trying to do so as expeditiously as possible. We want Virginia to be a welcoming state again for our fellow gun owners. We ultimately want to recognize ALL out-of-state permits.

Sadly, we understand if you decide you can’t visit us until we can honor your permits. I’d be a hypocrite if I said I would do so if the tables were turned.
HOWEVER, you do have a few options if you still want to come visit us:

1. Open carry is legal in Virginia - no permit required and you can open carry in most places in Virginia. Our police don’t bat an eye. VCDL's website has a list of the places that you cannot carry. And, here’s another good reason to open carry: McAuliffe and Herring HATE open carry. But, hey, it was THEIR brilliant idea to prohibit concealed carry, so they will have no choice but to get used to a whole lot more people open carrying in Virginia! wink emoticon

2. You can have a LOADED handgun in a CLOSED, but not necessarily locked, compartment or container in a vehicle. That includes a glovebox, console, and trunk as long as the compartment or container has some kind of latch. Optionally the loaded handgun can be in plain sight, on the seat or on the dashboard. Again, if concealed it MUST be in a compartment or container and nowhere else. Upon exiting the vehicle, the loaded handgun can be holstered and carried in plain view or you can unload the gun and put it in a carrying case.

3. You can get a Utah non-resident concealed handgun permit or you can get a Virginia non-resident concealed handgun permit. For the money and the fact that Virginia’s permit has now been degraded by the Attorney General, I’d go for the Utah permit.

Whatever you do, please don’t judge our great Commonwealth based on our current Governor and Attorney General.


VCDL is working to fix "Herring’s Folly" from several angles.

a) A bill on VCDL’s behalf has been introduced by Delegate Lee Ware and will be considered by the General Assembly, which convenes on January 14th (Lobby Day is on the 18th, BTW). This bill will change Virginia law to honor the CHPs from ALL states! Expect a matching bill to come from the Senate.

Yes, McAuliffe will probably veto it, but with your help, we will work to get as large a majority as possible to pass it. More on this in future legislative updates in January.

In the meantime, here is a link to the bill:

b) The General Assembly’s “Power of the Purse” can be used in different ways to help with this battle

c) We can possibly use the courts to override Herring and McAuliffe’s actions

d) There is a petition you can sign. Yes, Herring will ignore it, but it will make a great PR item, when I say something like, “X thousand of people signed a petition against Herring’s actions.” 7,283 have signed it so far and you guys are just learning about it! Here is the link:

d) Since Herring is making our lives miserable, we can return the favor. More on this next week. Oh, and Herring is going to run for Attorney General again in 2017. I’ll bet he’ll be surprised at just how good our memories can be!


As of 8 PM on December 23rd, 2,818 comments have been posted. All but a handful, if that many, are against McAuliffe’s gun ban!

That's nice, but we can do better. Get this link into the hands of others you know and get them to leave a comments opposing the ban. If you haven’t commented yet, now is a great time to do so. Click on the link and then click on “Enter a comment” to get started:

Here’s an article on McAuliffe’s state-agency gun ban and VCDL:…/abc-goes-gun-f...-holiday…/

The buses are now confirmed and I will let you know where the pickup points will be, the times, and how to make a reservation. Please make this the biggest Lobby Day VCDL has ever had!


VCDL will be holding a long awaited membership meeting in the Richmond area. We will meet at the Glen Allen Library on Tuesday, December 29th at 7:00 p.m. The meeting room will be open to us at 6:30 p.m. for fellowship and the meeting will begin around 7:00.

We will be discussing strategy for Lobby Day and the implications of the recent "audit" by AG Mark Herring and the Executive Order #50 issued by Gov. McAuliffe.
We will adjourn at 8:30 and those who care to will go to the Nuevo Mexico restaurant for continued fellowship.

The meeting is open to all, regardless of your membership status. In fact, we encourage you to bring people who have never been to a VCDL meeting before.

Glen Allen Library
10501 Staples Mill Road
Glen Allen, VA 23060
7:00 pm - 8:30 pm

Continued Fellowship:
Nuevo Mexico Restaurante
10282 Staples Mill Road
Glen Allen, VA 23060


Is the RNC paying this guy under the table to help mobilize Virginia's Republican base ahead of the 2016 elections? Or is the AG just so arrogant as not to care about the damage he's done to his own party's prospects?
gascolator, proud to be a member of since Nov 2012.
gascolator;171215 Wrote:Is the RNC paying this guy under the table to help mobilize Virginia's Republican base ahead of the 2016 elections? Or is the AG just so arrogant as not to care about the damage he's done to his own party's prospects?

I would say yes to the second part of your question and it is very possible for the first. Of course, with a move like what the AG did, I doubt the RNC would need to do much to motivate those that oppose the move.
sgtsandman, proud to be a member of since Nov 2014.
New York state has to run ads on TV begging businesses to come to their state by offering no taxes for years upon doing so.
Virginia I hope will soon be doing the same, begging for tourists due to people avoiding the state.
I know my few dollars spent on vacations and weekend trips are nothing in the grand scheme of things, but even when I was traveling to Maryland twice a day for work I spent not a single dime there over the one year I was in the state.
I stopped in Myersdale if I needed something before crossing into the pinko state of MD.
I will now do the same for Virginia, if I happen to pass through, I will not buy one gallon of gas or stop to buy one 20oz bottle of Mt. Dew.
I will however use any restroom I can find just to use up some of the states resources on their dime.

I'll also add, two of my co-workers have been going to VA Beach for years on vacation, they are now changing their plans, the one cancelled his week long reservation for this June at a condo he had rented for this summer.
Same thing, not a pile of cash in the grand scheme of things, but some people do put their families safety pretty high up on their list.
Some people need to read this book:


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