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Visiting from Kentucky
#1
I will be travelling from Kentucky to PA this weekend and just wanted to double check the carry laws.

1: I'm a valid Kentucky CCDW Permit holder and it appears that PA accepts permits from Ky

2: The only liimitations on where I can carry are Schools, government buildings, and any place federally regulated.

Now specifically, I will be going to Pittsburgh and the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center. Most Specifically the Hillman Cancer Center.

Are there any regulations or signs that would prohibit me from carrying anywhere in those locations.

Thanks for any help you can provide.

Cliff
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#2
The University of Pittsburgh will more likely forbid concealed carry, even those by licensed individuals such as yourself, and the same is for most hospitals in PA. If you are going for treatment, tests, etc. then I strongly suggest leaving your firearm at home because they will find it. If you are going to visit somebody or if you are taking a loved one, then they will probably not realize you are carrying if you are truely carrying concealed. For the most part if they discover you have a weapon on you, they will probably ask you to leave and you would probably not risk any legal penalties. HOWEVER I AM NOT A LAWYER and this is not professional advice, but rather a personal opinion. I've visited friends and family in a few PA hospitals while concealed carrying and never had any problems.

This thread might be more helpful to you
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#3
Thank you for the information and the link. I will be there with a family member who is having a procedure performed, so Mostly, I will be in waiting rooms.

I know down here, Hospitals don't concern me, but a few do have doors that are posted No Guns. Rarely are these the correct legal sign, but even if they are, as long as I leave IF asked, I am still abiding by the law.

Some other conflicting info I am reading on other sites...

What is the legality of a posted building. Are there specific signs that must be used, and what is the penalty for entering a posted building/location?

Say a Restaurant as an example has a sign saying No Guns. If I enter anyway, what is the penalty if caught. I have already stated above that IF asked to leave, I must, but otherwise, there is not a penalty in KY for this.

And YES, I'm completely aware that Concealed is Concealed and if properly done, noone even knows I am carrying. Choosing to blatantly disobey the law is a completely different issue than trying to know and obey the laws of the state I will be visiting.

Cliff
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#4
For the most part in PA, if there is a sign that states "No Firearms Permitted", but you decide to enter that property then if asked to leave you would have to leave or you will be cited for criminal trespassing. If they discover you have a firearm and you do leave, then there should/would be no legal consequences (DISCLAIMER: I AM NOT A LAWYER and this is not professional advice, but rather a personal opinion.). The link to the thread below might be very helpful to you. I'd say PA and Kentucky are very similar in terms of "No Firearms Permitted" signs and the law. The malls around here forbid firearms on property, but I conceal carry anyways. If security finds out, then they will ask me to leave and I would have to abide by that. However, they MIGHT call the police on me and report it as a man with gun. Just remember, concealed means concealed.

No Gun Sign Thread
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#5
In March of this year there was a shooting at a hospital in Pittsburgh with 2 fatalities and 7 injured. I was visiting a hospital in Philadelphia at the time and the place was locked down. So security might be tighter than normal.

They usually have prominent signs forbidding firearms at all the entrances.
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#6
wilburburns;49014 Wrote:2: The only liimitations on where I can carry are Schools, government buildings, and any place federally regulated.

"Government buildings" are not prohibited places. Only those which qualify as "court facilities" are, and the law requires that notice be posted at each public entrance, and that storage be provided so you can secure your firearm if you need to visit one for some reason.

I've pasted the applicable statute below. Please take a second to review the legal definition of "court facilities" as it applies to more than "court houses".

Quote:§ 913. Possession of firearm or other dangerous weapon in court
facility.
(a) Offense defined.--A person commits an offense if he:
(1) knowingly possesses a firearm or other dangerous
weapon in a court facility or knowingly causes a firearm or
other dangerous weapon to be present in a court facility; or
(2) knowingly possesses a firearm or other dangerous
weapon in a court facility with the intent that the firearm
or other dangerous weapon be used in the commission of a
crime or knowingly causes a firearm or other dangerous weapon
to be present in a court facility with the intent that the
firearm or other dangerous weapon be used in the commission
of a crime.
(b) Grading.--
(1) Except as otherwise provided in paragraph (3), an
offense under subsection (a)(1) is a misdemeanor of the third
degree.
(2) An offense under subsection (a)(2) is a misdemeanor
of the first degree.
(3) An offense under subsection (a)(1) is a summary
offense if the person was carrying a firearm under section
6106(b) (relating to firearms not to be carried without a
license) or 6109 (relating to licenses) and failed to check
the firearm under subsection (e) prior to entering the court
facility.
© Exceptions.--Subsection (a) shall not apply to:
(1) The lawful performance of official duties by an
officer, agent or employee of the United States, the
Commonwealth or a political subdivision who is authorized by
law to engage in or supervise the prevention, detection,
investigation or prosecution of any violation of law.
(2) The lawful performance of official duties by a court
official.
(3) The carrying of rifles and shotguns by instructors
and participants in a course of instruction provided by the
Pennsylvania Game Commission under 34 Pa.C.S. § 2704
(relating to eligibility for license).
(4) Associations of veteran soldiers and their
auxiliaries or members of organized armed forces of the
United States or the Commonwealth, including reserve
components, when engaged in the performance of ceremonial
duties with county approval.
(5) The carrying of a dangerous weapon or firearm
unloaded and in a secure wrapper by an attorney who seeks to
employ the dangerous weapon or firearm as an exhibit or as a
demonstration and who possesses written authorization from
the court to bring the dangerous weapon or firearm into the
court facility.
(d) Posting of notice.--Notice of the provisions of
subsections (a) and (e) shall be posted conspicuously at each
public entrance to each courthouse or other building containing
a court facility and each court facility, and no person shall be
convicted of an offense under subsection (a)(1) with respect to
a court facility if the notice was not so posted at each public
entrance to the courthouse or other building containing a court
facility and at the court facility unless the person had actual
notice of the provisions of subsection (a).
(e) Facilities for checking firearms or other dangerous
weapons.--Each county shall make available at or within the
building containing a court facility by July 1, 2002, lockers or
similar facilities at no charge or cost for the temporary
checking of firearms by persons carrying firearms under section
6106(b) or 6109 or for the checking of other dangerous weapons
that are not otherwise prohibited by law. Any individual
checking a firearm, dangerous weapon or an item deemed to be a
dangerous weapon at a court facility must be issued a receipt.
Notice of the location of the facility shall be posted as
required under subsection (d).

(f) Definitions.--As used in this section, the following
words and phrases shall have the meanings given to them in this
subsection:
"Court facility." The courtroom of a court of record; a
courtroom of a community court; the courtroom of a magisterial
district judge; a courtroom of the Philadelphia Municipal Court;
a courtroom of the Pittsburgh Magistrates Court; a courtroom of
the Traffic Court of Philadelphia; judge's chambers; witness
rooms; jury deliberation rooms; attorney conference rooms;
prisoner holding cells; offices of court clerks, the district
attorney, the sheriff and probation and parole officers; and any
adjoining corridors.

"Dangerous weapon." A bomb, grenade, blackjack, sandbag,
metal knuckles, dagger, knife (the blade of which is exposed in
an automatic way by switch, push-button, spring mechanism or
otherwise) or other implement for the infliction of serious
bodily injury which serves no common lawful purpose.
"Firearm." Any weapon, including a starter gun, which will
or is designed to expel a projectile or projectiles by the
action of an explosion, expansion of gas or escape of gas. The
term does not include any device designed or used exclusively
for the firing of stud cartridges, explosive rivets or similar
industrial ammunition.
(June 13, 1995, 1st Sp.Sess., P.L.1024, No.17, eff. 120 days;
Nov. 22, 1995, P.L.621, No.66, eff. imd.; Dec. 15, 1999,
P.L.915, No.59, eff. 60 days; Nov. 30, 2004, P.L.1618, No.207,
eff. 60 days)

2004 Amendment. Act 207 amended the def. of "court facility"
in subsec. (f). See sections 28 and 29 of Act 207 in the
appendix to this title for special provisions relating to
applicability and construction of law.
1999 Amendment. Act 59 amended subsec. (e).
1995 Amendments. Act 17, 1st Sp.Sess., added section 913 and
Act 66 amended subsecs. © and (e). See the preamble to Act 17,
1st Sp.Sess., in the appendix to this title for special
provisions relating to legislative purpose.
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#7
Thank you for that info. I hope I don't need to be in any location deemed a Court while I am there.

Cliff
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