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mtbkski;11811 Wrote:
Chazman321;11757 Wrote:I have no real place to store water... So I'm trying to concentrate more on filtration and purification than storage... lol
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A couple in the back of this closet. A couple in the back of that closet. A few under this sink, and few beside this dresser. A couple beside this desk. A few on the back porch. You can spread them all over the place and end up with a lot of water in the long run. Just a thought till you can find someplace to store a lot of water.

Clear plastic 1 liter and 2 liter bottles will fit nicely under beds, dressers and other furniture if you lay them on their side. Make sure the lids are on tight so they don't leak. You can dip the capped bottles in melted wax to improve the seal.

I have a book on the subject that states "But don't put plastic containers directly on cement floors. Most people don't realize that storing plastic water bottles on concrete can start a chemical reaction and contaminate the water. To be safe, store them on plywood or a nonporous membrane".
It doesn't go into any detail about what the chemical reaction is or why it happens, nor does it have any information about the type, extent or quickness of contamination. The way I see it, it puts doubt in my mind so I'll avoid storing plastic bottles directly on concrete or cement.

gnbrotz;30856 Wrote:
ArcticSplash;30820 Wrote:The main reason why you want to store water in bathtubs isn't for drinking, it's so you can run your toilets. i.e., you pull the lid off the back of the commode and put a bucket in the bathroom. Show the kids how to pour the water in the back of the tank so they can flush.

Alternatively, you can pour the water directly into the bowl, and if you do it fast enough, the force will flush the bowl. If you have an older toilet, that isn't "low flow", you may be able to refresh the bowl with less water than the toilet would use during a "normal" flush, especially if you're only dealing with urine.

When refilling the tank with a bucket you don't have to fill it completely, especially for just a urine flush. A little bit of attention while getting used to the technique will teach you the approximate minimum level you'll need to accomplish your goal.

donotknowme;122872 Wrote:I started storing water in my car, just 3 small bottles. With the cold coming I'm afraid they will break if they freeze and then be useless once thawed and soaked into my trunk. Can I just drain a little from the bottles and then cap them again until winter passes so they won't leak?

Yes, I believe that will work for you. When (pure) water freezes it expands by 10% of it's original volume. The plastic will give a little bit before it ruptures and there is air space in sealed bottles that will help absorb some of that expansion. If they're unopened bottles I don't know how much they'll forgive before they split but if you're talking about bottles that you fill yourself, or if you don't mind opening them to drain a little bit, leave a little extra air space in the bottle to absorb some of the expansion. If it's a 20 ounce bottle you'll want at least 2 ½ ounces worth of space minimum, a quart bottle should have at least 3 - 3½ ounces of space. Since water freezes on the surfaces first, it may seal itself in a way as to not be able to utilize that air space completely, more space is better than less as a precaution. And it wouldn't hurt to have them in a bucket or something to catch any leakage if they would happen to split. On the other hand, I see people freezing their water bottles at work without splitting them. Some appear to be full, some aren't completely full, the plastic does stretch some, I don't know what the limits are though. (I think the full ones were put in there for a quick chill and forgotten about, but I haven't seen one split yet).
On another note, I've gotten numerous email warnings telling me not to freeze water in plastic containers because it releases cancer causing chemicals from the plastic into the water. (Likewise, you'll die if you use plastic containers to heat food in a microwave oven, or use soaps and deodorants with certain ingredients). Blahblah2
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streaker69;134402 Wrote:
ExcelToExcel;134394 Wrote:I have a 20,000 gallon pool. my girlfriend and I are good for about 200 days without rain. Also, worse comes to worse you just reroute the downspouts to the pool. I have enough chlorine to last at least 2 years probably.

Tablets, not liquid right? Liquid chlorine has a very limited shelflife.
Hum... both but now.im concerned. Liquid chlorine should be good if it isn't exposed to air. You wont get gas exchange except Im not sure.now.that you said.that. I see no exploitation date and it's Clorox.
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ExcelToExcel;134579 Wrote:
streaker69;134402 Wrote:Tablets, not liquid right? Liquid chlorine has a very limited shelflife.
Hum... both but now.im concerned. Liquid chlorine should be good if it isn't exposed to air. You wont get gas exchange except Im not sure.now.that you said.that.

Everything that I read says that liquid chlorine loses it's potency, even while factory sealed between 8 months to a year. The problem with using old chlorine is that you can't be sure what it's current pH is so the charts for mixing it with water wouldn't be accurate.
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streaker69;134580 Wrote:
ExcelToExcel;134579 Wrote:Hum... both but now.im concerned. Liquid chlorine should be good if it isn't exposed to air. You wont get gas exchange except Im not sure.now.that you said.that.

Everything that I read says that liquid chlorine loses it's potency, even while factory sealed between 8 months to a year. The problem with using old chlorine is that you can't be sure what it's current pH is so the charts for mixing it with water wouldn't be accurate.

Just read 1/2 life at 75 f is 900 days nearly infinite if stored at temps lower. The good news is I now know to keep it in the basement the bad news is it spent about 30 days in 80+ this year in the garage. I'll move it to the basement before spring.
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ExcelToExcel;134581 Wrote:
streaker69;134580 Wrote:Everything that I read says that liquid chlorine loses it's potency, even while factory sealed between 8 months to a year. The problem with using old chlorine is that you can't be sure what it's current pH is so the charts for mixing it with water wouldn't be accurate.

Just read 1/2 life at 75 f is 900 days nearly infinite if stored at temps lower. The good news is I now know to keep it in the basement the bad news is it spent about 30 days in 80+ this year in the garage. I'll move it to the basement before spring.

What you could do is use that old stuff as a household cleaner, 50/50 mix with water and it works great for cleaning the kitchen counters. Get some fresh stuff and store in the basement. Also pick up some tablets and keep them in an air/water tight container. That stuff does last indefinitely. Plus there are other uses for it that I won't go into.
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streaker69;134582 Wrote:
ExcelToExcel;134581 Wrote:Just read 1/2 life at 75 f is 900 days nearly infinite if stored at temps lower. The good news is I now know to keep it in the basement the bad news is it spent about 30 days in 80+ this year in the garage. I'll move it to the basement before spring.

What you could do is use that old stuff as a household cleaner, 50/50 mix with water and it works great for cleaning the kitchen counters. Get some fresh stuff and store in the basement. Also pick up some tablets and keep them in an air/water tight container. That stuff does last indefinitely. Plus there are other uses for it that I won't go into.
Oh ill use the liquid for the pool. You go through a ton when you open a pool. It'll be fine. I dump about 20 gallons in at first opening because I have to fill it with well water which is loaded with IRON and I get a ton of algae if I dont shock it heavily and for an extended period of time, like a week. The tabs are horrible for pool use the stabilizer can keep cholorine from working. I know you'd think the opposite. Liquid is far easier. Once opened one gallon every 3 days and you'll never have trouble unless your stabilizer levels get very low. Then you throw in a puck or two.
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