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What do people think of this latest?
#1
Okay, I know that "we" don't care much for the source.

Schumer's latest idea

But the idea (absent specifics so far) is to reward states that get their info into the NICS database and penalize those that don't.

We've seen a number of cases, have we not, where people are clearing NICS in one state while having a very questionable background in another. Not just the Louisiana jerk-off but the Washington Navy Yard shooter as well.

I'm concerned is that it might be another un-funded mandate. That is, it's not that the states don't want to feed the NICS database, but they've got other stuff to spend their budget on.

I'm also concerned that nobody's addressing what should and shouldn't be a disqualifier. It's getting scary for veterans in places like New York.

And of course the NICS system inherently has the problem that you can piece the info together to see who bought what and where. We really need a way to make a NICS check "Person A qualified to buy something if they really want to, in the next 30 days, and maybe they did or maybe they didn't buy something."

But if those issues were dealt with, what do we think of the idea that states ought to be strongly motivated to get particularly criminal firearms-related information into NICS so that if you shoot out your neighbor's tires in North Carolina you're going to have problems purchasing a pistol in Virginia.

Doesn't this qualify as what we've been saying all along, that is "Don't make more laws, do a better job of enforcing existing ones?"
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#2
Anything the government is involved in has it's problems. The NICS system does seem to work rather well considering though.

People in the Commonwealth have been trying to convert from PA's system (PICS) to NICS for a while now. 1. Because it's a duplication of work and money being spent. 2. Because pistol purchases are registered with the State Police with that extra form one has to fill out during the purchase. The PSP keeps that on permanent file until the pistol is destroyed, stolen, or resold. They aren't supposed to be doing that but they are anyway.
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sgtsandman;168178 Wrote:Anything the government is involved in has it's problems. The NICS system does seem to work rather well considering though.

People in the Commonwealth have been trying to convert from PA's system (PICS) to NICS for a while now. 1. Because it's a duplication of work and money being spent. 2. Because pistol purchases are registered with the State Police with that extra form one has to fill out during the purchase. The PSP keeps that on permanent file until the pistol is destroyed, stolen, or resold. They aren't supposed to be doing that but they are anyway.

Do you really think that if we switch completely to NICS that the RoSdb goes away? Why would that happen?
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streaker69;168179 Wrote:
sgtsandman;168178 Wrote:Anything the government is involved in has it's problems. The NICS system does seem to work rather well considering though.

People in the Commonwealth have been trying to convert from PA's system (PICS) to NICS for a while now. 1. Because it's a duplication of work and money being spent. 2. Because pistol purchases are registered with the State Police with that extra form one has to fill out during the purchase. The PSP keeps that on permanent file until the pistol is destroyed, stolen, or resold. They aren't supposed to be doing that but they are anyway.

Do you really think that if we switch completely to NICS that the RoSdb goes away? Why would that happen?

The thinking is that the management of the system would change hands and the keeping of the form on record would stop. Whether that happens or not is another story. From what I understand, that form is supposed to be destroyed after so many days, not kept on file.
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sgtsandman;168182 Wrote:
streaker69;168179 Wrote:Do you really think that if we switch completely to NICS that the RoSdb goes away? Why would that happen?

The thinking is that the management of the system would change hands and the keeping of the form on record would stop. Whether that happens or not is another story. From what I understand, that form is supposed to be destroyed after so many days, not kept on file.
The sp4-113 would still be required no matter if we had pics, nics, or purple unicorns doing the background check. In order to get rid of that we would need a legislative fix since the courts screwed us already on it.
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#6
Most people seem to be getting at the same thing I did up top: the real problem with "universal background checks" is that they are a back door to "universal registration," because they inevitably connect the check with what was bought and where and by whom.

Would we be willing to accept a background check which resulted in an ID which would be valid for 30-60 days to purchase a firearm at any FFL, together with a system much like the PLCB system that scans your driver's license to simply provide a "thumbs up/thumbs down" to the FFL. A receipt would be provided to the FFL by which he could prove that he did a check on a given person on a given date.

No information sent back on what was purchased, if anything. No charge to the FFL for the check. The database simply wouldn't exist.

Once the latest check validity expired (that 30-60 days), the purchaser (not the FFL) would go online and trigger a renewal (for a fee) of the validity of the check card.

We could even extend this capability to private sellers-- you call a number, and get a thumbs up/thumbs down via the card number, with a receipt mailed to you.
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#7
Or one can just start building firearms from 80% lowers and not have to deal with the NICS system what so ever and still be legal. One can make a 1911, AR15, AR10, or an AK47 from an 80% lower and still be legal.
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