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What Happened to the Religious Right?
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Been looking for articles with comments from evangelicals and catholics about the election.

Starting here:

Christian Right Failed to Sway Voters on Issues (NYT)
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/10/us/pol....html?_r=0

21% of Evangelicals Supported Obama (Pro-Life News)
http://www.lifenews.com/2012/11/09/exit-...ack-obama/

Romney's Evangelical Support Equals Bush's (Baptist News)
http://www.bpnews.net/BPnews.asp?ID=39116

Obama Wins Catholic Vote - Loses Ground Among White Evangelicals (Minneapolis Star-Tribune)
http://www.startribune.com/local/blogs/177880491.html

White Evangelicals Put Obama Back In The White House (Renew America)
http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/fischer/121108

Religious Right's Ralph Reed A Big Election Loser (Opposing Views)
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/religion/...e-election

Albert Mohler: 2012 An Evangelical 'Election Disaster' (WPFL Louisville, KY)
http://wfpl.org/post/albert-mohler-2012-...l-disaster

White Evangelicals, Catholics supported Romney, Polls Show (Columbia Daily Tribune)
http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2012...ed-romney/

It seems the reporting is all over the place. Evanglicals sided with Romney. No, they sided with Obama. No, the white Protestant ones went Romney but it was all those Catholics voting Obama that was it.

I think the real picture with evangelicals when being sized up as a block is regionalism and that many people don't put religion first and foremost as their top issue when they enter the polling station.

Singling out evangelical people as a voting bloc might be a bad strategy. They're not reliable voters and don't behave as a unified bloc.
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As more and more churches become "progressive" Christians do not look very different from non Christians, so the evangelical block becomes smaller and smaller.
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#3
They fragmented and destroyed themselves through crazy. Notable examples come to mind...

Pretty much every time Santorum opened his mouth he alienated someone and decreased the chances of a Republican winning in the face over FAR more important issues (hint: unemployment and economy) that he should have focused on rather than railing against gays non-stop which wasn't winning him any votes.

There was the R who basically said that the woman's body auto-magically knows whether it has been raped or not to decide whether or not to allow itself to become pregnant.

Then there was Mourdock;

"Life is that gift from God that I think even if life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something that God intended to happen."

None of those things bought the Republican platform any new votes AT ALL. Those messages just do not resonate with middle of the road Americans today. If they were serious about winning they would have focused on building America back to it's former glory economically and not focusing on trying to spy on what Americans are doing in their bedrooms, and then unpacked all their bible-crazyness after they won their seats. Most people who believe in the above examples would rather be caught dead than vote for a democrat anyway so it's preaching to the choir (excuse the pun). As they continue down the path of crazy they will alienate themselves out of existence until only groups the like of the Westboro Baptist Church will be the only ones left in their movement. On the plus side after the evangelicals latest showing I'll be glad the day that being a bible thumper and a conservative are not stereo-typically considered one in the same.
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The Republicans are beyond fragmented. The ONE thing Republicans could learn from Democrats is unity. Unity, not because they always agree, but because they have a common goal....beating Republicans.

Even among Christians there are soooo many different ideas, and all of them are too stubborn to unite with anyone who disagrees. "I can't vote against my principles" they say, which is fine, and I respect that (many people here are that way too)....however we shouldn't be shocked when Democrats win every single time while we're all voting for any one of 20 little known candidates.

Romney was bad too though...what we need to do is unite in the primaries. And STOP BELIEVING THE MEDIA!!!! I was appalled during the primaries at how easily swayed my Christian friends were about various candidates. Do your own research! Support your candidates regardless of media lies and hype! Choose a good guy, not one who "has enough money to win" or "acts Presidential"!!!!!

Its not just the Christians though, its everyone. I'm a Christian and I have an atheist uncle and we pretty much agreed on candidates. So that tells you we can't really isolate this into groups anymore...we need to just unite: Constitution vs. Socialism.
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RugerGirl;66522 Wrote:The Republicans are beyond fragmented. The ONE thing Republicans could learn from Democrats is unity. Unity, not because they always agree, but because they have a common goal....beating Republicans.

Even among Christians there are soooo many different ideas, and all of them are too stubborn to unite with anyone who disagrees. "I can't vote against my principles" they say, which is fine, and I respect that (many people here are that way too)....however we shouldn't be shocked when Democrats win every single time while we're all voting for any one of 20 little known candidates.

Romney was bad too though...what we need to do is unite in the primaries. And STOP BELIEVING THE MEDIA!!!! I was appalled during the primaries at how easily swayed my Christian friends were about various candidates. Do your own research! Support your candidates regardless of media lies and hype! Choose a good guy, not one who "has enough money to win" or "acts Presidential"!!!!!

Its not just the Christians though, its everyone. I'm a Christian and I have an atheist uncle and we pretty much agreed on candidates. So that tells you we can't really isolate this into groups anymore...we need to just unite: Constitution vs. Socialism.
Very well said RugerGirl.
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#6
The southern strategy that Karl Rove used to get Bush elected twice has come back to bite the Republicans. The pandering to social conservatives created enthusiasm in the midwest and south that Bush needed to win electoral votes, but it was pandering to a demographic that is growing smaller and less influential. This strategy alienated the Libertarian leaning wing of the party and this was further exacerbated by the fact that Bush governed as a fiscal liberal.

Social conservatisism is not generally consistent with pro-liberty ideals. Evangelicals have been encouraged by their leaders and media sources to express their social preferences in the political arena. That was a mistake and took the focus away from smaller government and Constitutional government. The focus needs to be 100% on reducing the size of government.
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One of the issues that Romney faced that was somehow overlooked is that many fundamentalist Christians find Mormonism more of cult than an accepted Christian religion.

Because of that, they stayed home in larger numbers than expected, voted Obama or just didn't make a pick for President when they voted.
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Camper;40005 Wrote:As more and more churches become "progressive" Christians do not look very different from non Christians.

unclejumbo;66565 Wrote:One of the issues that Romney faced that was somehow overlooked is that many fundamentalist Christians find Mormonism more of cult than an accepted Christian religion.

I think it's a combination of these two factors. The "progressive" churches don't stick to their doctrine, and the fundamentalists can't get past the Mormon thing.
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unclejumbo;66565 Wrote:One of the issues that Romney faced that was somehow overlooked is that many fundamentalist Christians find Mormonism more of cult than an accepted Christian religion.

Because of that, they stayed home in larger numbers than expected, voted Obama or just didn't make a pick for President when they voted.

No, you're right. There are many, many very conservative, very religious Christians who view Mormons as impostors and not actual Christians. If Romney was of another Christian denomination or non-denominational he would have had a much stronger level of support. I don't think the religious right has vanished or significantly diminished, I just think few of them saw Romney as their chosen representative.
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#10
They become known for what they really are: The Religious Wrong.
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