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What is with all the Gun Snobs anymore?
#1
Sometimes I think people have more money than brains! I've been posting around the interwebs looking for feedback on the new FREEDOM PSA Uppers and I am getting a mixed bag of responses. There are a few people voicing interest but most just try to shame me for purchasing a $240 upper! Their facts are that it wont hold up to hard core, operator style training, it will break after 10000 rounds, chrome lining or die! The list goes on. But truth is, I am not an operator. I am not going to ever shoot 10000 rounds from 1 gun, and I don't plan on going through the Kyber pass with it anytime soon! So what is the big deal?

Plus, I must be a heathen to even think about purchasing a $40 aluminum quad rail! I don't plan on mounting optics to the rail...maybe a flashlight and a VFG. Instead, they want me to spend $150-$400 on rails! WTF? I don't think so!

Eh, I'm just ranting but what do you guys think?
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A Reading from the Book of Armaments, Chapter 4, Verses 16 to 20:

Then did he raise on high the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch, saying, "Bless this, O Lord, that with it thou mayst blow thine enemies to tiny bits, in thy mercy." And the people did rejoice and did feast upon the lambs and toads and tree-sloths and fruit-bats and orangutans and breakfast cereals ... Now did the Lord say, "First thou pullest the Holy Pin. Then thou must count to three. Three shall be the number of the counting and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither shalt thou count two, excepting that thou then proceedeth to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the number of the counting, be reached, then lobbest thou the Holy Hand Grenade in the direction of thine foe, who, being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it."
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#2
I'm wondering if it's your first day on the Internet? Tongue

Meh, anybody can post anything which is why many post what makes them feel self important. No different here. I just read somebody who posted how all are sheep for being indoctrinated by paying their taxes.....as if he didn't do the very same. Shrug

But it should give one pause when searching for an answer one is annoyed at not finding enough positive "evidence" to justify their own position.

I no longer look up reviews as I use to for the same reason that there is never really any conclusive answer pro or con for anything. Some hate it. About the same amount love it. Useless waste of time, mostly.
Dave, proudly annoying members of pa2a.org since Sep 2012.
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#3
Yeah, I know...it makes me feel better to vent to you guys! LOL!

You're right about reviews...they are about worth their weight in pocket lint! I just spent 3 days trying to decide what tonneau cover to get for my Ram truck...the reviews were all over the board from 5 stars to no stars! How can something as simple as a tonneau cover cover such a wide scope in reviews? I finally said fuck it and ordered the one I wanted in the first place! LOL!

Same with guns...I have a variety of guns including Colts, Taurus and Bersa. They all seem to have their pros and cons but the biggest thing I notice is that the price is the biggest con on the higher end guns! I actually enjoy shooting my Raging Bull .44 mag better than my Colt Anaconda! As a collector, I would never give up my Colts but I also will never give up my lower priced fun guns either! Tongue
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A Reading from the Book of Armaments, Chapter 4, Verses 16 to 20:

Then did he raise on high the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch, saying, "Bless this, O Lord, that with it thou mayst blow thine enemies to tiny bits, in thy mercy." And the people did rejoice and did feast upon the lambs and toads and tree-sloths and fruit-bats and orangutans and breakfast cereals ... Now did the Lord say, "First thou pullest the Holy Pin. Then thou must count to three. Three shall be the number of the counting and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither shalt thou count two, excepting that thou then proceedeth to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the number of the counting, be reached, then lobbest thou the Holy Hand Grenade in the direction of thine foe, who, being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it."
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#4
Dave;141110 Wrote:I'm wondering if it's your first day on the Internet? Tongue

LOL

You are not the only one to notice. The more people get pulled into shooting the more it is going to resemble everything else in life. Trendy people do trendy things and look down upon those who don't. My father in law has a budget level M&P Sport. Guess what, it functions every bit as good as my BCMs do. On the other hand I recently saw a guy who dumped several thousand into an AR and tacticool accessories hanging off at all angles from the rails who had to back out of a shoot because his bolt would 100% of the time fail to close all the way. During a break I saw him blowing down the barrel of his rifle like it was a flute apparently to determine that his gas tube wasn't blocked Confused *sigh* At least he took the upper off and removed the bolt.

It's not just limited to what gear you buy but how you shoot it as well. Fortunately some of the popular instructors out there seem to be addressing this as I have seen many promoting finding techniques that work for you as an individual rather than teaching you a certain style or technique.
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#5
Rocket,

If you get a job working for the BLM you can stuff the barrel into the dirt, like the dope with the shield, and not really care, because it was a $240 upper. Big Grin
   

Guys who are bashing it are probably the same ones who paid $2500 for a DPMS Sporticle a few months ago.
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#6
Welcome to the internetBig Grin Your just plinking go with a inexpensive rifle nothing wrong with that. If you are going to use it to possibly defend your life that's when the quality issue comes in. You don't have to spend thousands of dollars they are many options out there that are suitable for this, I wouldn't want to have to use it when my life could be on the line and find out because of lower quality parts she no go bang. As far as rails magpul stuff is great, put a rail where you want it and their reasonable in price.
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#7
Reviews are generally just a guide, or something to look at to sway you one way or another. Sometimes they're good, sometimes they're crap. I always read the negative reviews first, to try and see what potential problems I might run in to. If there is a common theme in them, then I pay attention. If they're the ramblings of lunatics, I ignore them.

People who give the "snob" advice you're describing is because they want to try and impress people with how much more 'well to do' they are to afford something 10x the price you're looking at, because they are still trying to justify their own choice they were not sure about, because they can't admit they made a wrong decision, or because they're just plain idiots.

Sometimes though, what sounds like snobbery is nothing more than a person being emphatic about what they personally have learned through experience and are so frustrated by it they're trying to stop others from making the same mistake and not communicating it well. This one is rare.
Vampire pig man since September 2012
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#8
On the flip side I've rarely regretted paying more for higher quality. The same can not be said when I decided to save a few bucks.
Dave, proudly annoying members of pa2a.org since Sep 2012.
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#9
Dave;141122 Wrote:On the flip side I've rarely regretted paying more for higher quality. The same can not be said when I decided to save a few bucks.

I generally find that to be true, but proven wrong in the theory enough that it still gives me pause to assume more expensive means more better.
Vampire pig man since September 2012
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#10
Camper;141125 Wrote:
Dave;141122 Wrote:On the flip side I've rarely regretted paying more for higher quality. The same can not be said when I decided to save a few bucks.

I generally find that to be true, but proven wrong in the theory enough that it still gives me pause to assume more expensive means more better.

That's why we invented words such a rarely and generally. Wink

I've actually been to factories in China where the same assembly line fed packing centers for various different brand names, high and low. Although the higher end stuff usually has their own QC gal who inspects all and moves anything that fails to the lower end brand's center.
Dave, proudly annoying members of pa2a.org since Sep 2012.
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