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What is your wish list for Pro gun Legislative priorities for 2013-2014 session in PA
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What is your wish list for Pro gun Legislative priorities for 2013-2014 session in PA



In other words rate 1 to 5 the top things you will like to see changed in the UFA

with #1 being in your opinion the top priority #2 next etc



the follow list of proposed below were all filed in 11-12 session so you can read the text, so you know exactly what is involved.



~ Constitutional Carry



~ PICS & ROS Elimination



~ Preemption Law



~ Disparity of Force



~ parking lot bill



~ Firearms Freedom Act



~ Unlawful firearm records - Shall not be kept



~ legalize semi auto rifles for hunting



~ Sunday hunting



~ Knife Rights ( Fixing text in §908.Prohibited offensive weapons)





OR what else really grinds you metal in the UFA ?




On this link is 50 plus bills from the 2011-2012session

anything on here you like?

http://www.acslpa.org/Bill_List_Firearms..._06-14.pdf



BTW We usually do our legislative planning strategy meeting in Mid Dec around bill of rights day.


There is No guarantee that any will be passed into law, only opportunity is offered.

after its introduced by a Rep then it’s up to US to support the proposed bill or not support the concept



support or opposition has many different levels of what this means from different people points of view.




Since some most people don’t keep track all of these proposals numbers here they are for your convenience to review from the 2011-2012 session FYI in any given two year session there can 3000 to 6000 proposed pieces of legislation to keep track of let alone read so IF you have a hard time reading and keeping track of a couple of dozen try walking in a Reps shoes for awhile.



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~ Constitutional Carry ~ House Bill 2176

http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/bill...=B&BN=2176



~ PICS & ROS Elimination ~ House Bill 2127

http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/bill...=B&BN=2127



~ Preemption Law ~ SB 273 read - Printer 2243 former HB 1523

http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/bill...=B&BN=0273



~ Disparity of Force ~ House Bill 1860

http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/bill...=B&BN=1860




~ parking lot bill ~ House Bill 935

http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/bill...=B&BN=0935



~ Firearms Freedom Act ~ House Bill 752

http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/bill...=B&BN=0752



~ Unlawful firearm records - Shall not be kept ~ House Bill 2356

http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/bill...=B&BN=2356



~ legalize semi auto rifles for hunting for a couple of species ~ House Bill 347

http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/bill...=B&BN=0347


~ Sunday hunting ~ House Bill 1760

http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/bill...=B&BN=1760



~ Knife Rights ( Fixing text in §908.Prohibited offensive weapons) ~ House Bill 2548

http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/bill...=B&BN=2548


BTW ……Happy Constitutional day Sept 17
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Right here!

~ Unlawful firearm records - Shall not be kept

I think more people are fucked over by the system with that one than most others.
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~ Constitutional Carry



~ PICS & ROS Elimination



~ Preemption Law



~ Disparity of Force



~ Firearms Freedom Act



~ Unlawful firearm records - Shall not be kept


I would also like to see changes on NFA items. Lose the tax stamp.
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(09-17-2012, 08:28 AM)streaker69 Wrote: Right here!

~ Unlawful firearm records - Shall not be kept

I think more people are fucked over by the system with that one than most others.


Having only glanced at the bill and not reading it word for word, I'd hope there was some sort of education provided to law enforcement to spell out there is no gun registry in PA in the bill.

How many times in an "encounter" thread has someone mention the PD "running" the gun.
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1. Constitutional Carry With an optional LTCF available for reciprocity purposes.

2. Preemption Law With real penalties for municipalities who try to write their own law.

3. parking lot bill Even if you can't carry at work you should be able to carry to work and legally lock your gun up in your vehicle on company property

4. Unlawful firearm records - Shall not be kept With some sort of mandatory education provided to law enforcement to spell out there is no gun registry in PA in the bill.

5. Truly making the process to obtain a LTCF uniform Too many counties add their own "hoops" and lose the character clause.
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~ Unlawful firearm records - Shall not be kept ~ House Bill 2356

~ Knife Rights ( Fixing text in §908.Prohibited offensive weapons) ~ House Bill 2548

~ Constitutional Carry


I'm glad to see you over here White Feather. Now I've got one less reason to go over there for anything.
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~ Constitutional Carry
~ PICS & ROS Elimination
~ Unlawful firearm records - Shall not be kept
~ Knife Rights ( Fixing text in §908.Prohibited offensive weapons)
~ Disparity of Force
~ Firearms Freedom Act


These seem to be my top but I have not finished reading over the entire linked list.

I feel like all the ones above are very important for all of the reasons listed by others. I also agree with SoberByker about the option of LTCF for reciprocity purposes unless there is some other way to remedy that situation. How is it handled for States that already have Constitutional Carry such as Vermont?

WhiteFeather, how many laws can we realistically look at trying to push through? Obviously gun rights are important but will the legislatures realistically look at a dozen gun related bills or will they eventually ge fatigued and decide to table them?

I will have more time this year so I plan to increase my activism with not only phone calls, emails, and faxes, but I also hope to get to the Capitol if necessary or at least get some face time with my reps in their local offices. I am definitely up to getting as many pieces of legislation through as possible so if it is possible to pack the legislative calendar with gun rights laws, then I am all for it.
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(09-17-2012, 09:16 AM)soberbyker Wrote: 1. Constitutional Carry With an optional LTCF available for reciprocity purposes.

2. Preemption Law With real penalties for municipalities who try to write their own law.

3. parking lot bill Even if you can't carry at work you should be able to carry to work and legally lock your gun up in your vehicle on company property

4. Unlawful firearm records - Shall not be kept With some sort of mandatory education provided to law enforcement to spell out there is no gun registry in PA in the bill.

5. Truly making the process to obtain a LTCF uniform Too many counties add their own "hoops" and lose the character clause.
Im agreeing with sobers list and comments. Very good!
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Constitutional carry
Firearm records not to be kept (I considered giving up OC just due to this for quite sometime)

Does the parking lot bill apply only to preemption places where it is actually illegal to carry (schools etc.) and/or to places that ban guns due to private property laws?
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(09-17-2012, 10:54 AM)acosenza2 Wrote: ~ Constitutional Carry
~ PICS & ROS Elimination
~ Unlawful firearm records - Shall not be kept
~ Knife Rights ( Fixing text in §908.Prohibited offensive weapons)
~ Disparity of Force
~ Firearms Freedom Act


These seem to be my top but I have not finished reading over the entire linked list.

I feel like all the ones above are very important for all of the reasons listed by others. I also agree with SoberByker about the option of LTCF for reciprocity purposes unless there is some other way to remedy that situation. How is it handled for States that already have Constitutional Carry such as Vermont?

WhiteFeather, how many laws can we realistically look at trying to push through? Obviously gun rights are important but will the legislatures realistically look at a dozen gun related bills or will they eventually ge fatigued and decide to table them?

I will have more time this year so I plan to increase my activism with not only phone calls, emails, and faxes, but I also hope to get to the Capitol if necessary or at least get some face time with my reps in their local offices. I am definitely up to getting as many pieces of legislation through as possible so if it is possible to pack the legislative calendar with gun rights laws, then I am all for it.


to help you decide the rating order

The Allegheny County Sportsmen’s League (ACSL) did some outline letters with bullet point for educational purposes to the Reps seeking support for several of these concepts...... they are available here.

http://www.acslpa.org/html/firearms___hu...egis_.html


Preemption Law - HB 1523 (was upgraded in SB 273 re write)


HB 2127 PICS elimination – saving taxpayer
monies & reducing size of government

Constitutional Carry HB 2176


note: as always READ THE ACTUAL TEXT OF PROPOSED LEGISLATION as any changes in text, including just a single word could dramatically alter the entire bill intent.





to answer acosenza2 question

This is a VERY subjective question with many variables to consider on the amount of bills we can get passed.

Which includes the election results on Nov 6, 2012 as there are 9-12 Pro-gun seats that are changing hands for sure due to retirement, loss in primary etc.

who is going to be elected to replace them?

Who pro gun is still going to hold onto their seats they now have. what is any anti's are going to be replaced with PG or are we going to get a bunch that change support and course like sail boat in the breeze.

Get you FOAC Pro Gun voters guide here
http://www.foac-pac.org/
get as many gun owners as you can to use the FOAC Pro Gun voters guide and get them to GO VOTE for someone on Nov 6th. You can even hand them out at your polling location, or in another district if you wish.......all of US can do our part to change who holds a seat and who doesn’t on election day.



The reason for asking the question in OP and for rating which is concept is most important to you.

As a gauge of gun owners support for those that are paying attention as to what forces are to be expected to aid in the goal in passage.

Go get a table at a gun show and pass out pro gun voters guides and find out the very few gun owners that bother to vote you see why this matters, as apathy and indifference is abundant, you will lose much respect for gun owners opinion or as a political force
again another variable factor to consider with who is willing to put boots on the ground will often beat key board push button warfare approach used by many to spray and pray and hope they are being effective at activism.

Sadly, support with these proposed bill seems to be like a winning team everyone becomes a fan only when its moving towards final passage, the rest of time they seldom bother to contact any Reps.

If no one contacts the Rep they assume that they are doing a "good" job and IF their feet are not held to the fire on election day, they feel why listen to US.

there are several million gun owners in PA, realistically how many are join in the fight to help pass any of these proposed legislation these?

…….Another variable to consider how much gun owners activism is really going to support the cause with actions

not with just throwing money at someone else to do the lobbying for them, but by each of us as individuals giving some of our time, writing, calling doing FTF with the Reps (more than just the ones you can vote for) to lobby for passage of bills, determines the number of proposals we can get passed in any session.


Some of the ones listed in OP are MAJOR re writes to the UFA and will be fought against very actively by various factions for many reason.

Besides the anti's gun people that would fight with everything they got at even making something as novel as a official state firearm such as the PA muzzle long gun invented and refined in PA as a historical fact of this contribution of these firearm to the commonwealth and to the country.


with little support, little changes are possible to the UFA

big time constant support, beating the Reps ears to pay attention to us like a squeaky wheel that get the much need attention. with a specially focus on ALL the key leadership Reps anything is possible to be passed in one session.

After all they work for US and we have to remind them that their position exist for US not the other way around.

Passing controversial legislation is a lot like taking turns swinging at a piñata, you usually only get so many chances IF there are few people involved in the process, with the many involved, more chances can be had to get the rewards that all wish to have.



The real variable at play is for each of US to decide the answer.

Is HOW much value does your firearm rights really mean to you?

What level of support are you willing to give to support the cause you are so passionate about to push for passage?

As often said support or opposition has many different meaning to everyone view point.
.... talk is cheap
....................... your actions and deeds say more to what you hold the true value of your rights in importance to you than what is said.
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