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What to feed a 12 gauge home defense shotgun?
#31
EmptyMag,

I would treat it like you are shooting a musketball through a musket. Up to a certain distance it will suddenly curve towards a different direction. If you have only 3 left, just go to the range and shoot them at 15 yards, 30 yards, and 45-50 yards. Then report back the accuracy. Then you'll know for the future how well sabot slugs perform in smooth bore barrels.
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EM unless you've moved, I wouldn't suggest using shotgun slugs at all. They can over penetrate and you have neighbors to worry about. What I use is #4 birdshot, your basic turkey round for home defense in my house. At hd distances it won't spread so much as to be ineffective and yet it won't over penetrate and have to potential to injure neighbors in their houses. Just my $0.02.
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#33
I've fully considered this. Everyone here has homes made of brick.
The chance of that happening has already been decreased.

I don't plan on using slugs as the only option either - just trying to learn if the one I mentioned would be effective, or not.

Those blue, "law enforcement" tactical rifled slugs I mentioned previously have the "hollow point" too, but I haven't done any research on them yet.
These Platinum Tips look to be "purpose built" to my untrained eye, so I'm trying to compare the two to a degree.
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#34
I have a Mossberg 590 with a couple mods. First was replacing the brass bead with a big red fiber optic sight. Second was adding a side saddle spare ammo mount that holds 6 rounds. Gun came with the Speedfeed stock that holds 4 extra rounds. As it sits, I have the action open, mag tube topped off and ten rounds on the gun. One round to drop in the ejection port before closing the action so I have a full load in the gun and a spare 9 rounds on the gun. Every one of those shells is Federal 2 3/4" 00 buckshot. Bought the 175rd can and haven't looked back. Only problem I had with patterning was when I first replaced the front bead. The new sight had long threads that protruded into the barrel by just a hair. It was causing a single pellet flyer every round. Pulled it out, shortened the threads a hair, problem solved.
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#35
Warpt, it sounds like you have a set up like I have. Moss 590, 6rd sidesaddle, but I replaced the Speedfeed with an m-4 style stock with a 5 round carrier on it.
Tube loaded with 00, 6 slugs on the sidesaddle, and 5 more 00 on the stock.

The 00 is Federal low recoil LE, the slugs are Brenneke(sp).

Also added a yellow fiber optic front site.
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gf45acp;66418 Wrote:Warpt, it sounds like you have a set up like I have. Moss 590, 6rd sidesaddle, but I replaced the Speedfeed with an m-4 style stock with a 5 round carrier on it.
Tube loaded with 00, 6 slugs on the sidesaddle, and 5 more 00 on the stock.

The 00 is Federal low recoil LE, the slugs are Brenneke(sp).

Also added a yellow fiber optic front site.

I thought about going with a Blackhawk NRS stock but I decided against it. The pistol grip makes using the safety impossible. I want another 870 for that. I have one but I'm keeping it how it is. It's an ex PSP gun made before 1968.
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#37
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBWWqXVbAfA

this is what i'm using I can get a box of 25 done in about an hour or so taking my time.

i prefer Federal get 100 rds at walmart for less then 25.00
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#38
MOUNTAINORACLE;10956 Wrote:What to feed a 12 gauge home defense shotgun?

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But I hear Federal #4 or #2 buck is a lot easier to come by. Smile
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#39
Emptymag;64193 Wrote:I haz a question...


I'm not much of an expert on shotguns and I don't fully understand the variables in the multitude of shot shell choices, but as I understand things, SABOT slugs perform best in RIFLED barrels and RIFLED slugs perform best in SMOOTH BORE barrels.
Home defense gun is Mossberg 500 18" smooth bore.

That said, I was going through my ammo taking inventory, and ran across a box of sabot slugs I bought when I picked up my first shotgun years ago. (when I knew even less than I know now. LOL)


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It doesn't make sense to try to find someone who wants them, as there are only 3 shells left.

My question:

Would these be effective at home defense ranges, or would I be better sticking to a plain, rifled slug?


My thinking is that lack of rifling may not be a big factor at distances of 10-30 feet the way it would be if you were in the field trying to hit a deer 60 yards away.

The thought of a hollow point projectile sounds appealing - I just wonder if I'm way off base here and if the projectile needs "distance" to get the velocity needed for effective expansion.

The projectile gain any velocity, it starts to lose velocity right after it exits the barrel, the expanding gas dissipates and the forward push is over. Momentum carries the projectile from there and friction from the air it's passing through slows it down. The friction of the air can also start to deform the projectile as it travels, especially with a soft projectile like lead.
You're not way off base, the further the projectile travels the more it may deform from air resistance, but not from getting more velocity.

(Now I'm waiting for someone to come along and tell me how the projectile will actually gain velocity for an instant as soon as it's free of the friction of the barrel and the gas is still exiting the barrel. I don't have statistics on exactly what happens at that instant, for that fraction of an inch at 1000+ fps, that's why I said "right after it exits the barrel", to leave room for anyone who may think a technical correction needs to be made.)
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