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Who gets to define "high capacity" magazine?
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David Gregory thinks a 30-round mag is high capacity. New York thinks a 10-round mag is high capacity and lowered it to a ridiculous 7.

In virtually all major media gun control discussions, the usual "ban assault weapons and high capacity magazines" is bandied about without qualification or quantification.

So, what is a "high cap mag and who gets to define it? I understand the '94 law restricted to ten rounds, but who decided that? We can't let that happen again.

Who decided 10 is ok but 15 is bad...especially compared to a 100 round drum? I think pro-2A need to be out in front on this, because I'm hearing pundits argue lately that while an assault weapon ban may ultimately be a tough sell in Congress, some sort of mag limit may actually get pushed through. To someone unfamiliar with firearms (much of the public and many in Congress) ten rounds seems reasonable to them. We need to make it known that ten rounds is absolutely unacceptable.

I know the answer is "none" but realistically, if a number starts getting thrown around, what should it be, 10, 15, 30, 100? I fear it will once again be ten if we don't scream loudly to legislators.
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Well obviously in NY, its 7.
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Gman106;69478 Wrote:David Gregory thinks a 30-round mag is high capacity. New York thinks a 10-round mag is high capacity and lowered it to a ridiculous 7.

In virtually all major media gun control discussions, the usual "ban assault weapons and high capacity magazines" is bandied about without qualification or quantification.

So, what is a "high cap mag and who gets to define it? I understand the '94 law restricted to ten rounds, but who decided that? We can't let that happen again.

Who decided 10 is ok but 15 is bad...especially compared to a 100 round drum? I think pro-2A need to be out in front on this, because I'm hearing pundits argue lately that while an assault weapon ban may ultimately be a tough sell in Congress, some sort of mag limit may actually get pushed through. To someone unfamiliar with firearms (much of the public and many in Congress) ten rounds seems reasonable to them. We need to make it known that ten rounds is absolutely unacceptable.

I know the answer is "none" but realistically, if a number starts getting thrown around, what should it be, 10, 15, 30, 100? I fear it will once again be ten if we don't scream loudly to legislators.

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As you say, it should be none.

If I want 100, and they say 10, I will have 10 or more loaded mags on my person. This is because I WILL BE OBEYING the law.

What they fail to WANT TO UNDERSTAND is that only we, the law abiding will abide by the laws....
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Exactly, today's "low" cap is tomorrow's high cap.
It's become so blatantly obvious to all but the most ignorant.

The gun grabbers will continually redefine high cap until every gun is too dangerous.
It’s popular to ban 30 round mags because so many children were killed. Look no further than NY as the example. No excuse to ban 10 round mags other than not wasting a good crisis. One CT law maker actually wants to ban all civilian firearms to one round.
The next ban should be clear even to the most blind.

Sadly maybe Sandy Hook will stand for something good. To show how tyrannical law makers will become given the opportunity, and how easily the citizens will bow to such tyranny.
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If and when they get what they want, and limit it to 10 rounds, it will only be a matter of time before 10 round mags are considered "high capacity" and they try to further reduce it.

My definition of "high capacity" is any mag that is more than what was designed for that specific weapon in standard configuration. For example, a 17 round G17 mag is standard capacity, while a 33 rounder is "high capacity." A 30 round mag for an AR15 is standard capacity, while a Beta-C would be considered "high capacity." A 250 round belt for an M249 saw is standard capacity, while a 1000 round belt would be high capacity. You get it.

Anyway, I don't support putting any limits on magazine, clip, or belt capacity. My full auto is gonna be pretty boring if I can only load it with 10 rounds. Instead of "BRRRRRT BRRRT BRRRRRRT BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT" it'll be more like, "BURP," reload "BURP," reload "BURP" reload etc. Seems pointless and boring.
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bac0nfat;69487 Wrote:If and when they get what they want, and limit it to 10 rounds, it will only be a matter of time before 10 round mags are considered "high capacity" and they try to further reduce it.

My definition of "high capacity" is any mag that is more than what was designed for that specific weapon in standard configuration. For example, a 17 round G17 mag is standard capacity, while a 33 rounder is "high capacity." A 30 round mag for an AR15 is standard capacity, while a Beta-C would be considered "high capacity." A 250 round belt for an M249 saw is standard capacity, while a 1000 round belt would be high capacity. You get it.

Anyway, I don't support putting any limits on magazine, clip, or belt capacity. My full auto is gonna be pretty boring if I can only load it with 10 rounds. Instead of "BRRRRRT BRRRT BRRRRRRT BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT" it'll be more like, "BURP," reload "BURP," reload "BURP" reload etc. Seems pointless and boring.

Sounds reasonable to me, but it won't to the unreasonable. That's why I think it will slip back to a universal ten-round limit if we continue to be silent on the issue.

By the way, congrats on quitting smoking. I'm not gonna lie...it SUCKS! I love to smoke, it goes perfectly with every mood or situation, but I began to feel its ill-effects after two-plus decades. I also wanted to quit on my own terms in my own time before some heavy-handed government ban. The cost was getting up there, too. After a few half-hearted attempts I managed to quit cold turkey. It's been over four years now, with no relapse. I actually avoided alcohol for 15 months just to break that connection. It was always my downfall in previous quit attempts. If it helps, do what I did and think of it as temporary...I plan to start again on my 80th birthday!
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Can they designate a magazine as high capacity if it's the only size available? My pistol only take 19rd magazines. They make no other capacities.
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Warpt762x39;69496 Wrote:Can they designate a magazine as high capacity if it's the only size available? My pistol only take 19rd magazines. They make no other capacities.

We shouldn't have let the language get away from us. We should all be pushing the fact that these are STANDARD-CAPACITY MAGAZINES.
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Gman106;69493 Wrote:By the way, congrats on quitting smoking. I'm not gonna lie...it SUCKS! I love to smoke, it goes perfectly with every mood or situation, but I began to feel its ill-effects after two-plus decades. I also wanted to quit on my own terms in my own time before some heavy-handed government ban. The cost was getting up there, too. After a few half-hearted attempts I managed to quit cold turkey. It's been over four years now, with no relapse. I actually avoided alcohol for 15 months just to break that connection. It was always my downfall in previous quit attempts. If it helps, do what I did and think of it as temporary...I plan to start again on my 80th birthday!

Thanks for the nice comments! But I must be honest, I "quit" by switching to "e-cigs." I'm sure you've probably heard of them, but they are basically water vapor instead of smoke, with some nicotine and flavor added. MUCH better for your lungs, since there is no actual smoke or tar. But I'm not using those cheesy blister-packed e-cigs you buy at convenience stores, I got a quality "vaping" kit from a local dealer. The good thing about it is, you refill the liquid yourself, and tell them how much nicotine you want. So every time you go back to buy more "juice" (as they call it) you can reduce your nicotine level by a few milligrams. The ultimate goal is to get to zero mg's, and then stop completely. But even with this new vaping thing, I feel way more healthy, and NO craving for cigarettes. I've even got a few friends to switch over, and it has worked for them as well.

No longer do I smell like an ashtray, or get short of breath, or feel guilty about destroying my health. I starting working out again, and feel like a million bucks!

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