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Why don't more companies make Striker Fired pistols?
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JustinHEMI;33083 Wrote:
spartakis252;33057 Wrote:I forgot that I also wanted to point out that Springfield didn't originally make the XD series, I can't say with certainty but I still don't think they manufacture that line. It was a foreign small company that SA decided to buy into...

Not saying anything negative about the gun or company. Just pointing that small detail out.

You're correct. The XD line started with the HS2000 made by HS Produkt out of Croatia.

They're still made in Croatia. SA imports them to the US under the XD/XDM/XDS lines.

Justin

Thanks for providing that info.

The point of me bringing that up was there are many companies making striker fired pistols but certain companies are known for and produce better non striker fired pistols.
Again I make a comparison using the 1911, Magnum Research sells a 1911, which from my understanding was produced by another company. From my research this 1911 is very similar to the Ruger SR1911, yet there aren't waiting lists or price increases in the used market for the M.R. Why tell you all this?
If Sig, H&K or Beretta came out with a line of striker fired plastic pistols tomorrow what are people more likely to buy? The new Sig that is exactly like a Glock or just buy a Glock knowing that Glock has 25+ years behind the striker fired business?

You'd have to consider cost as well. If H&K can't produce a plastic striker fired gun for way under what their hammer fired plastic guns go for then they really have no selling point. Example the M&P shield, a single stack striker fired pistol. Did they do it first? No Kahr has been around for years. So what did S&W do? They made a high quality single stack for under $500. Kahr's higher quality line goes for about $600.
So when it comes down to price vs quality, S&W offers high quality at low cost vs. Kahr's high quality at a higher cost.
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Dont forget the fairly new FNH FNS
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spartakis252;33053 Wrote:I may be a little off by saying this but,

Why doesn't Ferrari make a 4wd truck???

I wouldn't be surprised if they eventually do to compete against the ridiculous Porsche Cayenne and its grab on the "more money than brains" mall crawler segment of the market.
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RandomTask;33219 Wrote:
spartakis252;33053 Wrote:I may be a little off by saying this but,

Why doesn't Ferrari make a 4wd truck???

I wouldn't be surprised if they eventually do to compete against the ridiculous Porsche Cayenne and its grab on the "more money than brains" mall crawler segment of the market.

Hate to go off topic, but it'll be quick. Normally I agree with you, then I met a doctor who uses his Cayenne to tow his Polaris Rzr around. Big Grin

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Carry on with your previously scheduled topic.

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JustinHEMI;33222 Wrote:
RandomTask;33219 Wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if they eventually do to compete against the ridiculous Porsche Cayenne and its grab on the "more money than brains" mall crawler segment of the market.

Hate to go off topic, but it'll be quick. Normally I agree with you, then I met a doctor who uses his Cayenne to tow his Polaris Rzr around. Big Grin

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Carry on with your previously scheduled topic.

Justin

Ughh, now ya got me goin...

Cayenne Turbo S
550hp/553lb ft
0-60 4.3sec
Top speed 175mph

Pretty much SMOKE anything you'll see on the road.
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RandomTask;33219 Wrote:
spartakis252;33053 Wrote:I may be a little off by saying this but,

Why doesn't Ferrari make a 4wd truck???

I wouldn't be surprised if they eventually do to compete against the ridiculous Porsche Cayenne and its grab on the "more money than brains" mall crawler segment of the market.

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stimrob;33052 Wrote:I'm a noob so bear with me: does a striker fired pistol have any advantages over a standard hammer fired pistol (or vice versa)? I know the functional difference, but whats the practical difference?

For me it's the trigger. DA/SA guns with have a heavy first pull and light from the second shot on. Some you can carry "cocked and locked", but then you have to first disengage a safety. That's ok for some people but I personally don't like a manual safety on a carry gun.

DAO guns almost always have a long, heavy trigger, all the time. That's okay because at least the trigger is consistent. HK and Sig make DAO guns, but they're still hammer fired. I've never shot either of these but I've heard great things about Hk's LEM triggers. If I buy another Hk someday, it'll have the LEM trigger with no manual safety.

Striker fired guns have a short, consistent, crisp trigger. I won't say light, because they're still heavier and longer than, for instance a 1911. But the trigger pull is just right, in my opinion on Glocks. I have a 1911. I've shot Sig's, HK's, DAO and DA/SA revolvers, all kinds of stuff. While I think the SA trigger on my HK USP I had was one best triggers I've ever shot, the DA pull SUCKED! But I've found Glocks to be absolutely perfect, for me, because of consistency, no safety and the trigger is has short pull, but not too short of a pull. It's light, but not too light. It's heavy, but not too heavy. It's just perfect for me. Another benefit of striker pistols is there is no hammer to snag on shirts during the draw. They're much more streamline.

That's why I like Striker fired pistols. Same goes for the M&P's. Though, the Glock trigger beats the factory M&P trigger any day.
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EvoRich;33316 Wrote:
stimrob;33052 Wrote:I'm a noob so bear with me: does a striker fired pistol have any advantages over a standard hammer fired pistol (or vice versa)? I know the functional difference, but whats the practical difference?

For me it's the trigger. DA/SA guns with have a heavy first pull and light from the second shot on. Some you can carry "cocked and locked", but then you have to first disengage a safety. That's ok for some people but I personally don't like a manual safety on a carry gun.

DAO guns almost always have a long, heavy trigger, all the time. That's okay because at least the trigger is consistent. HK and Sig make DAO guns, but they're still hammer fired. I've never shot either of these but I've heard great things about Hk's LEM triggers. If I buy another Hk someday, it'll have the LEM trigger with no manual safety.

Striker fired guns have a short, consistent, crisp trigger. I won't say light, because they're still heavier and longer than, for instance a 1911. But the trigger pull is just right, in my opinion on Glocks. I have a 1911. I've shot Sig's, HK's, DAO and DA/SA revolvers, all kinds of stuff. While I think the SA trigger on my HK USP I had was one best triggers I've ever shot, the DA pull SUCKED! But I've found Glocks to be absolutely perfect, for me, because of consistenty, no safety and the trigger is have a short, but not too short of a pull. It light, but not too light. It's heavy, but not too heavy. It's just perfect for me.

That's why I like Striker fired pistols. Same goes for the M&P's. Though, the Glock trigger beats the factory M&P trigger any day.

There are SA and DA striker fired pistols. Any striker fired pistol with a second strike ability like the Taurus would be a DA striker fired pistol. The XD, Glock and others without the second strike ability would be SA striker fired.
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Just my opinion.. I like the way a hammer fired pistol looks. My Sig and Beretta are sexy guns to me. But what I don't like is having that heavy trigger pull for that first shot and then light pulls for follow-up shots. I personally feel that accuracy suffers because of this. My Glocks and M&Ps just feel better.
My opinion is that people just like what they like. I remember trying to sell an XD several years ago, and the potential buyer didn't want it strictly because it didn't have an external hammer.
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Warpt762x39;33041 Wrote:
LifeInPa;33039 Wrote:Yeah that's my bad, I forgot about the SR series from Ruger and that Taurus had a striker fired pistol. I also should have elaborated that I am talking about non-rimfire pistols. Companies like SIG and H&K never really got into striker fired designs as such major producers of pistols I found that curious.

The H&K P7 is striker fired.

Is the P7, VP 70 or any other striker fired pistol from H&K still in production? That's what I mean, why did H&K get away from striker fired pistols? Why didn't SIG ever make one? Yet as seen here so many other companies adopted striker fired designs (Even if some were very late to the game). I just find it curious.

spartakis252;33053 Wrote:I may be a little off by saying this but,

Why doesn't Ferrari make a 4wd truck???

Different things work better for different companies. If you have a good product such as the Sig P226 (not counting recent SigArms QC issues), why change?

Look at the response to Smith & Wesson and Sig getting into 1911s. Most of what I've what read consist of people saying "if you're gonna buy a 1911 go with Colt or Springfield(just to name a few examples) they've been making them forever they know what they are doing..."


Just my observations...

Those are good points. However your example with the SIG and S&W 1911's doesn't work as people buy them plus they're well regarded. I believe those 1911's also undercut the pricing of the Colt 1911's without compromising the quality.

spartakis252;33114 Wrote:
JustinHEMI;33083 Wrote:You're correct. The XD line started with the HS2000 made by HS Produkt out of Croatia.

They're still made in Croatia. SA imports them to the US under the XD/XDM/XDS lines.

Justin

Thanks for providing that info.

The point of me bringing that up was there are many companies making striker fired pistols but certain companies are known for and produce better non striker fired pistols.
Again I make a comparison using the 1911, Magnum Research sells a 1911, which from my understanding was produced by another company. From my research this 1911 is very similar to the Ruger SR1911, yet there aren't waiting lists or price increases in the used market for the M.R. Why tell you all this?
If Sig, H&K or Beretta came out with a line of striker fired plastic pistols tomorrow what are people more likely to buy? The new Sig that is exactly like a Glock or just buy a Glock knowing that Glock has 25+ years behind the striker fired business?

You'd have to consider cost as well. If H&K can't produce a plastic striker fired gun for way under what their hammer fired plastic guns go for then they really have no selling point. Example the M&P shield, a single stack striker fired pistol. Did they do it first? No Kahr has been around for years. So what did S&W do? They made a high quality single stack for under $500. Kahr's higher quality line goes for about $600.
So when it comes down to price vs quality, S&W offers high quality at low cost vs. Kahr's high quality at a higher cost.

I think striker fired pistols from these companies would sell just by the name. How many people here own H&K or SIG products just based on reputation? Look how long Glock had a corner on the market yet companies like S&W, FNH, Ruger, etc carved out a piece of the market for themselves. This isn't an argument for SIG or H&K to make a striker fired pistol as I have little interest in those companies products but I am dying to know why H&K stopped making striker fired guns after creating the market and having a 12 year head start on everyone? It just doesn't compute.

RandomTask;33219 Wrote:
spartakis252;33053 Wrote:I may be a little off by saying this but,

Why doesn't Ferrari make a 4wd truck???

I wouldn't be surprised if they eventually do to compete against the ridiculous Porsche Cayenne and its grab on the "more money than brains" mall crawler segment of the market.

The Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT-8 has been in competition with the Cayenne for at least 6 years now, in fact it succeeds IMO since it can go head to head yet it cost half as much.
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