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Why not let taxes rise on the middle class?
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true story!

link- http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/w...ml?hpid=z2

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Quote:Barring a last-minute breakthrough, taxes will go up for every American taxpayer on Jan. 1 — and that’s a development conservatives should welcome.

Don’t get me wrong, it would be better not to raise taxes on anyone, pursue pro-growth tax reform and cut the size of government instead. But that’s not what the American people voted to do last month. Americans cast their ballots for big government.

Now it’s time to pay for it.

Until now, the growth of government under President Obama has not hit the pocketbooks of most Americans. During Obama’s first term, federal spending grew to more than 24 percent of GDP — the highest it has been since 1946. Yet almost no one in the country (except smokers and those who frequent indoor tanning salons) saw their taxes rise. Quite the opposite: 160 million Americans saw their payroll taxes reduced from 6.2 to 4.2 percent.

How can we expect people to care about the growth of government if it doesn’t cost them anything?

Instead of paying for the current miasma of spending, we’ve been borrowing the money from our children and grandchildren. The national debt has grown by nearly $6 trillion in the four years since Obama took office. That generational theft cannot continue. We must not keep financing big government by passing the bills on to the next generation. Ideally, we would stop the spending binge and live within our means. But if the nation is not up to that, then we should all pitch in and pay for it — all of us.
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andrewjs18;60171 Wrote:true story!

link- http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/w...ml?hpid=z2

snippet of the story:

Quote:Barring a last-minute breakthrough, taxes will go up for every American taxpayer on Jan. 1 — and that’s a development conservatives should welcome.

Don’t get me wrong, it would be better not to raise taxes on anyone, pursue pro-growth tax reform and cut the size of government instead. But that’s not what the American people voted to do last month. Americans cast their ballots for big government.

Now it’s time to pay for it.

Until now, the growth of government under President Obama has not hit the pocketbooks of most Americans. During Obama’s first term, federal spending grew to more than 24 percent of GDP — the highest it has been since 1946. Yet almost no one in the country (except smokers and those who frequent indoor tanning salons) saw their taxes rise. Quite the opposite: 160 million Americans saw their payroll taxes reduced from 6.2 to 4.2 percent.

How can we expect people to care about the growth of government if it doesn’t cost them anything?

Instead of paying for the current miasma of spending, we’ve been borrowing the money from our children and grandchildren. The national debt has grown by nearly $6 trillion in the four years since Obama took office. That generational theft cannot continue. We must not keep financing big government by passing the bills on to the next generation. Ideally, we would stop the spending binge and live within our means. But if the nation is not up to that, then we should all pitch in and pay for it — all of us.

I don't think anyone should want things to go this way.
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ByblosHex;60177 Wrote:
andrewjs18;60171 Wrote:true story!

link- http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/w...ml?hpid=z2

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I don't think anyone should want things to go this way.

why not? people should get what they voted for to feel the real pain of bloated government!
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Won't happen.

1. Lots of middle class people did NOT vote for Obama.

2. The ones that did are ignorant enough to blame the Republicans or Bush for the painful shrinking pocketbooks.
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andrewjs18;60179 Wrote:
ByblosHex;60177 Wrote:I don't think anyone should want things to go this way.

why not? people should get what they voted for to feel the real pain of bloated government!

If people voted for an all-out ban on firearms would you say, let them have it so they can feel the pain of Government oppression and gang violence? Shrug
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RugerGirl;60182 Wrote:Won't happen.

1. Lots of middle class people did NOT vote for Obama.

2. The ones that did are ignorant enough to blame the Republicans or Bush for the painful shrinking pocketbooks.

I voted for NOBODY 2012...does that mean I don't have to fund welfare or wars? Smile

ByblosHex;60185 Wrote:
andrewjs18;60179 Wrote:why not? people should get what they voted for to feel the real pain of bloated government!

If people voted for an all-out ban on firearms would you say, let them have it so they can feel the pain of Government oppression and gang violence? Shrug

ah....now you see why government is evil...tyranny of the majority. Wink

I think people should get the government they willing keep voting for. then, and only then, I think, they'll feel the wrath.
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andrewjs18;60190 Wrote:
RugerGirl;60182 Wrote:Won't happen.

1. Lots of middle class people did NOT vote for Obama.

2. The ones that did are ignorant enough to blame the Republicans or Bush for the painful shrinking pocketbooks.

I voted for NOBODY 2012...does that mean I don't have to fund welfare or wars? Smile

ByblosHex;60185 Wrote:If people voted for an all-out ban on firearms would you say, let them have it so they can feel the pain of Government oppression and gang violence? Shrug

ah....now you see why government is evil...tyranny of the majority. Wink

I think people should get the government they willing keep voting for. then, and only then, I think, they'll feel the wrath.

That isn't why "Government if evil". It's why it's a Constitutional Republic and not a Democracy.

The People should not the Government they voted for, they should get the Government outlined in the Declaration and Constitution. That Government is The People. Frankly, I don't think we should oppose that ideal just to prove a point.
"As I lay rubber down the street I pray for traction I can keep, but if I spin and begin to slide, please dear God, protect my sweet ride."
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ByblosHex;60192 Wrote:
andrewjs18;60190 Wrote:I voted for NOBODY 2012...does that mean I don't have to fund welfare or wars? Smile


ah....now you see why government is evil...tyranny of the majority. Wink

I think people should get the government they willing keep voting for. then, and only then, I think, they'll feel the wrath.

That isn't why "Government if evil". It's why it's a Constitutional Republic and not a Democracy.

The People should not the Government they voted for, they should get the Government outlined in the Declaration and Constitution. That Government is The People. Frankly, I don't think we should oppose that ideal just to prove a point.

a constitutional republic was thrown out as almost as soon as it was implemented.

what if people don't vote at all? what should they get?
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andrewjs18;60193 Wrote:
ByblosHex;60192 Wrote:That isn't why "Government if evil". It's why it's a Constitutional Republic and not a Democracy.

The People should not the Government they voted for, they should get the Government outlined in the Declaration and Constitution. That Government is The People. Frankly, I don't think we should oppose that ideal just to prove a point.

a constitutional republic was thrown out as almost as soon as it was implemented.

what if people don't vote at all? what should they get?

They should get the Government as outlined within the Constitution. Wink

That's the only source of their legitimate power. That and the Declaration.
"As I lay rubber down the street I pray for traction I can keep, but if I spin and begin to slide, please dear God, protect my sweet ride."
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ByblosHex;60194 Wrote:
andrewjs18;60193 Wrote:a constitutional republic was thrown out as almost as soon as it was implemented.

what if people don't vote at all? what should they get?

They should get the Government as outlined within the Constitution. Wink

That's the only source of their legitimate power. That and the Declaration.

then what's the point of voting at all?
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