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Why one cop carries 145 rounds of ammo on the job
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The next thing he knew, bullets were flying. “That was four years ago,” Gramins said. “Yet it could be ten seconds ago.”

With Gramins following close behind, siren blaring and lights flashing, the Bonneville zigzagged through traffic and around corners into a quite pocket of single-family homes a few blocks from the exit. Then a few yards from where a 10-year-old boy was skateboarding on a driveway, the suspect abruptly squealed to a stop.

“He bailed out and ran headlong at me with a 9 mm Smith in his hand while I was still in my car,” Gramins said.

The gunman sank four rounds into the Crown Vic’s hood while Gramins was drawing his .45-cal. Glock 21.

“I didn’t have time to think of backing up or even ramming him,” Gramins said. “I see the gun and I engage.”

Gramins fired back through his windshield, sending a total of 13 rounds tearing through just three holes.

A master firearms instructor and a sniper on his department’s Tactical Intervention Unit, “I was confident at least some of them were hitting him, but he wasn’t even close to slowing down,” Gramins said.

The gunman shot his pistol dry trying to hit Gramins with rounds through his driver-side window, but except for spraying the officer’s face with glass, he narrowly missed and headed back to his car.

Gramins, also empty, escaped his squad — “a coffin,” he calls it — and reloaded on his run to cover behind the passenger-side rear of the Bonneville.

Now the robber, a lanky six-footer, was back in the fight with a .380 Bersa pistol he’d grabbed off his front seat. Rounds flew between the two as the gunman dashed toward the squad car.

Again, Gamins shot dry and reloaded.

“I thought I was hitting him, but with shots going through his clothing it was hard to tell for sure. This much was certain: he kept moving and kept shooting, trying his damnedest to kill me.”

In this free-for-all, the assailant had, in fact, been struck 14 times. Any one of six of these wounds — in the heart, right lung, left lung, liver, diaphragm, and right kidney — could have produced fatal consequences…“in time,” Gramins emphasizes.

But time for Gramins, like the stack of bullets in his third magazine, was fast running out.

In his trunk was an AR-15; in an overhead rack inside the squad, a Remington 870.

But reaching either was impractical. Gramins did manage to get himself to a grassy spot near a tree on the curb side of his vehicle where he could prone out for a solid shooting platform.

The suspect was in the street on the other side of the car. “I could see him by looking under the chassis,” Gramins recalls. “I tried a couple of ricochet rounds that didn’t connect. Then I told myself, ‘Hey, I need to slow down and aim better.’ ”

When the suspect bent down to peer under the car, Gramins carefully established a sight picture, and squeezed off three controlled bursts in rapid succession.

Each round slammed into the suspect’s head — one through each side of his mouth and one through the top of his skull into his brain. At long last the would-be cop killer crumpled to the pavement.

The whole shootout had lasted 56 seconds, Gramins said. The assailant had fired 21 rounds from his two handguns. Inexplicably — but fortunately — he had not attempted to employ an SKS semi-automatic rifle that was lying on his front seat ready to go.

Gramins had discharged 33 rounds. Four remained in his magazine.

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Did that say he tried to ricochet rounds?

Now I'm not as well qualified as that officer. But I have to say I wouldn't be wasting rounds like that.
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Connal;107521 Wrote:Did that say he tried to ricochet rounds?

Now I'm not as well qualified as that officer. But I have to say I wouldn't be wasting rounds like that.

Where was the 10 year old boy in all of this? Shrug
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This is why we should all carry HP ammunition and know how to shoot accurately under duress. More ammunition for more pray & spray is not the solution. Another reason why Police shouldn't have access to full-auto firearms. Full-auto is useful for suppressive fire on enemy entrenchments, it's not something you need for self-defense (Not to imply that citizens shouldn't have access to it. Quite the contrary.). The whole Idea of Police walking around with M16's is just wrong. If anyone should be walking the streets with M16's and P90's, it's us.
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ByblosHex;107532 Wrote:This is why we should all carry HP ammunition and know how to shoot accurately under duress. More ammunition for more pray & spray is not the solution. Another reason why Police shouldn't have access to full-auto firearms. Full-auto is useful for suppressive fire on enemy entrenchments, it's not something you need for self-defense (Not to imply that citizens shouldn't have access to it. Quite the contrary.). The whole Idea of Police walking around with M16's is just wrong. If anyone should be walking the streets with M16's and P90's, it's us.

I have no problem with police having full-auto's, as long as citizens can also have them, and the officer can demonstrate that they are safe and efficient with it. But as long as citizens are not allowed to own them, neither should police.
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ByblosHex;107532 Wrote:This is why we should all carry HP ammunition and know how to shoot accurately under duress.

This cop is a master firearms instructor and a sniper on his department’s Tactical Intervention Unit. He hit the guy 14 times, including 3 headshots, one in the heart, right lung, left lung, liver, diaphragm, and right kidney in a shootout that took less than a minute. I don't really think we can fairly criticize his accuracy under duress.
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TheWolff;107599 Wrote:
ByblosHex;107532 Wrote:This is why we should all carry HP ammunition and know how to shoot accurately under duress.

This cop is a master firearms instructor and a sniper on his department’s Tactical Intervention Unit. He hit the guy 14 times, including 3 headshots, one in the heart, right lung, left lung, liver, diaphragm, and right kidney in a shootout that took less than a minute. I don't really think we can fairly criticize his accuracy under duress.

Is that what I did?, or are you putting words in to my post that aren't there?
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ByblosHex;107657 Wrote:
TheWolff;107599 Wrote:This cop is a master firearms instructor and a sniper on his department’s Tactical Intervention Unit. He hit the guy 14 times, including 3 headshots, one in the heart, right lung, left lung, liver, diaphragm, and right kidney in a shootout that took less than a minute. I don't really think we can fairly criticize his accuracy under duress.

Is that what I did?, or are you putting words in to my post that aren't there?

If it didn't come across that way, I wouldn't have said anything. If that's not what you meant, thanks for the clarification.
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TheWolff;107659 Wrote:
ByblosHex;107657 Wrote:Is that what I did?, or are you putting words in to my post that aren't there?

If it didn't come across that way, I wouldn't have said anything. If that's not what you meant, thanks for the clarification.

As I said, This is why we should all carry HP ammunition and know how to shoot accurately under duress. Otherwise the wrong person ends up dead. Wink
"As I lay rubber down the street I pray for traction I can keep, but if I spin and begin to slide, please dear God, protect my sweet ride."
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And all those bullets that didn't hit their target?
tolerance for failure meter... LOW
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