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pay attention everyone!!! if you own guns...have a LTCF in pennsylvania...WATCH OUT!! new bill introduced demands you carry 1,000,000 in insurance to carry said firearm or you loose your liscense, weapon is confiscated

see underlined parts in this copy of what was submitted just oct 12 for a pa law!!









PRINTER'S NO. 4270






THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF PENNSYLVANIA





HOUSE BILL


No.
2693
Session of

2012









INTRODUCED BY WATERS, V. BROWN, BISHOP, THOMAS AND JAMES, OCTOBER 17, 2012








REFERRED TO COMMITTEE ON JUDICIARY, OCTOBER 17, 2012











AN ACT




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Amending Title 18 (Crimes and Offenses) of the Pennsylvania

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Consolidated Statutes, further providing for licenses.

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The General Assembly of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania

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hereby enacts as follows:

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Section 1. Section 6109(e) of Title 18 of the Pennsylvania

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Consolidated Statutes is amended and the section is amended by

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adding a subsection to read:

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§ 6109. Licenses.

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(e) Issuance of license.--

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(1) A license to carry a firearm shall be for the

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purpose of carrying a firearm concealed on or about one's

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person or in a vehicle and shall be issued if, after an

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investigation not to exceed 45 days, it appears that the

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applicant is an individual concerning whom no good cause

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exists to deny the license, and the applicant has obtained

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firearm liability insurance as provided under subsection

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(e.1). A license shall not be issued to any of the following:






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(i) An individual whose character and reputation is

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such that the individual would be likely to act in a

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manner dangerous to public safety.

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(ii) An individual who has been convicted of an

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offense under the act of April 14, 1972 (P.L.233, No.64),

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known as The Controlled Substance, Drug, Device and

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Cosmetic Act.

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(iii) An individual convicted of a crime enumerated

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in section 6105.

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(iv) An individual who, within the past ten years,

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has been adjudicated delinquent for a crime enumerated in

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section 6105 or for an offense under The Controlled

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Substance, Drug, Device and Cosmetic Act.

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(v) An individual who is not of sound mind or who

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has ever been committed to a mental institution.

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(vi) An individual who is addicted to or is an

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unlawful user of marijuana or a stimulant, depressant or

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narcotic drug.

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(vii) An individual who is a habitual drunkard.

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(viii) An individual who is charged with or has been

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convicted of a crime punishable by imprisonment for a

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term exceeding one year except as provided for in section

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6123 (relating to waiver of disability or pardons).

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(ix) A resident of another state who does not

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possess a current license or permit or similar document

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to carry a firearm issued by that state if a license is

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provided for by the laws of that state, as published

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annually in the Federal Register by the Bureau of

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Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms of the Department of the

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Treasury under 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(19) (relating to

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definitions).

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(x) An alien who is illegally in the United States.

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(xi) An individual who has been discharged from the

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armed forces of the United States under dishonorable

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conditions.

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(xii) An individual who is a fugitive from justice.

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This subparagraph does not apply to an individual whose

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fugitive status is based upon nonmoving or moving summary

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offense under Title 75 (relating to vehicles).

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(xiii) An individual who is otherwise prohibited

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from possessing, using, manufacturing, controlling,

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purchasing, selling or transferring a firearm as provided

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by section 6105.

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(xiv) An individual who is prohibited from

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possessing or acquiring a firearm under the statutes of

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the United States.

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(xv) An individual who has failed to obtain firearm

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liability insurance as provided under subsection (e.1).

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(3) The license to carry a firearm shall be designed to

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be uniform throughout this Commonwealth and shall be in a

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form prescribed by the Pennsylvania State Police. The license

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shall bear the following:

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(i) The name, address, date of birth, race, sex,

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citizenship, height, weight, color of hair, color of eyes

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and signature of the licensee.

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(ii) The signature of the sheriff issuing the

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license.

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(iii) A license number of which the first two

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numbers shall be a county location code followed by

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numbers issued in numerical sequence.

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(iv) The point-of-contact telephone number

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designated by the Pennsylvania State Police under

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subsection (l).

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(v) The reason for issuance.

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(vi) The period of validation.

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(4) The sheriff shall require a photograph of the

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licensee on the license. The photograph shall be in a form

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compatible with the Commonwealth Photo Imaging Network.

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(5) The original license shall be issued to the

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applicant. The first copy of the license shall be forwarded

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to the Pennsylvania State Police within seven days of the

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date of issue. The second copy shall be retained by the

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issuing authority for a period of seven years. Except

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pursuant to court order, both copies and the application

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shall, at the end of the seven-year period, be destroyed

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unless the license has been renewed within the seven-year

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period.

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(e.1) Liability insurance.--

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(1) No individual shall be issued a license under

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subsection (e) without providing the licensing authority with

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a certificate of liability insurance verifying that the

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applicant has a valid insurance policy insuring against harm

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or damage that may arise out of the use of a firearm covered

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by the license.

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(2) The insurance policy shall meet all of the

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following:

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(i) Be in an amount of at least $1,000,000.

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(ii) Satisfy any judgment for personal injuries or

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property damages arising out of negligent or willful acts

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involving the use of an insured firearm.

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(iii) May not cover any unlawful acts.

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(3) An insurer who has issued a contract of firearm

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liability insurance, or any approved self-insurance entity,

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shall do all the following:

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(i) Notify the licensing authority of the county in

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which the insured resides if the firearm liability

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insurance has been canceled or terminated. An insurer

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shall provide a copy of the notice of cancellation or a

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copy of the insurer's filing procedures with proof that

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the notice was written in the normal course of business

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and placed in the normal course of mailing.

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(ii) Provide insurance identification certificates

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to the insured which shall be valid only for the period

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for which coverage has been paid by the insured.

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Insurance identification certificates must disclose the

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period for which coverage has been paid by the insured.

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If the insured has financed premiums through a premium

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finance company or is on an insurer-sponsored or agency-

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sponsored payment plan, insurance identification

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certificates may be issued for periods of six months

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notwithstanding that the payment by the insured may be

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for a period of less than six months.

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(4) A licensing authority shall not be required to

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produce proof that notice of termination, lapse or

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cancellation was provided to the insured in order to revoke

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the license to carry a firearm. A licensing authority shall

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immediately revoke a licensee's license if the licensing

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authority receives notice that a licensee's firearm liability

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insurance has been canceled or terminated.

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(5) The insurer's insurance identification certificate

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shall be carried simultaneously with the insured firearm and

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shall be exhibited to any law enforcement officer upon demand

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for inspection. Failure to produce the insurance

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identification certification shall result in the following:

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(i) The law enforcement officer shall confiscate the

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firearm.

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(ii) The owner of the confiscated firearm shall be

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provided with a signed and dated written receipt by the

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law enforcement officer. This receipt shall include a

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detailed identifying description indicating the serial

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number and condition of the firearm.

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(iii) If, within ten days, the law enforcement

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officer does not receive proof from the owner of the

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confiscated firearm that the owner has a valid firearm

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liability insurance policy, the law enforcement officer

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shall notify the licensing authority of the county in

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which the individual resides that proof of insurance was

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not provided and the firearm was confiscated. Upon

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receipt of the notification, the licensing authority

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shall immediately revoke the licensee's license to carry

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a firearm and immediately notify the law enforcement

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officer of the revocation.

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(iv) A confiscated firearm shall be released to an

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owner as follows:

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(A) after confirmation has been received that

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the owner's license to carry has been revoked and the

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law enforcement officer has notified the owner that

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the license has been revoked and that the owner may

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no longer carry the firearm in public; or

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(B) the law enforcement officer has received

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proof from the owner of the confiscated firearm that

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the owner has a valid firearm liability insurance

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policy.

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(6) If a licensing authority revokes a licensee's

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license to carry a firearm, the licensing authority may not

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reissue the license to carry until the person furnishes proof

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of insurance. The licensing authority shall charge a fee of

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$50 to reissue a license to carry following a revocation.

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(7) An individual who is in this Commonwealth with a

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concealed firearm and possesses a valid and lawfully issued

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license or permit to carry that firearm which has been issued

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under the laws of another state as provided under section

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6106(b)(15) (relating to firearms not to be carried without a

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license) shall be required to obtain firearm liability

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insurance as provided in this section within 30 days of

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arriving in this Commonwealth.

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(8) An individual who fails to maintain liability

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insurance as provided under this subsection shall be subject

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to the following:

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(i) For a first offense, the individual shall be

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subject to a fine of at least $1,000.

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(ii) For a second offense, the individual shall be

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subject to a fine of at least $5,000.

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(iii) For a third offense, the individual commits a

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a misdemeanor of the third degree and shall be subject to

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a fine of at least $10,000.

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(iv) For a fourth and subsequent offense, the

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individual commits a misdemeanor of the second degree and

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shall be subject to a fine of at least $15,000.

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Section 2. This act shall take effect in 60 days.

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crazydazy86, proud to be a member of pa2a.org since Sep 2012.
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Blahblah2Blahblah (this is all I read)

Gallery_7035_184_5926 (this is what it will look like trying to pass this)

Lollerz (this is what I think I of the idiots that come up with this stuff)
"What you're feeling now ain't the worst pain. The worst thing is not feeling the hurt anymore."
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i copyed and paste this from a page. i will try to get a better link


spartakis252;29161 Wrote:Blahblah2Blahblah (this is all I read)

Gallery_7035_184_5926 (this is what it will look like trying to pass this)

Lollerz (this is what I think I of the idiots that come up with this stuff)

type this in your internet search bar


http://www.legis.state.pa.us/CFDOCS/Legi...93&pn=4270


crazydazy86;29162 Wrote:i copyed and paste this from a page. i will try to get a better link


spartakis252;29161 Wrote:Blahblah2Blahblah (this is all I read)

Gallery_7035_184_5926 (this is what it will look like trying to pass this)

Lollerz (this is what I think I of the idiots that come up with this stuff)
crazydazy86, proud to be a member of pa2a.org since Sep 2012.
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#4
So who is the brilliant mind behind this?

I'll be on the front porch yelling it's time of anyone needs me.
This will be the best security for maintaining our liberties. A nation of well-informed men who have been taught to know and prize the rights which God has given them cannot be enslaved. It is in the religion of ignorance that tyranny begins. -Ben Franklin
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Yeah read it, it's easier to read in the link btw.

Now explain how they can realistically require 800,000+ people to get "firearms liability" insurance within 60 days. And also how those 800,000+ people would actually allow something like this to stand. Maybe in one of the communist states we could see this but I highly doubt PA would be involved in this before CA, NY, NJ, You know the list.

From a quick google search this isnt an orginal idea:
http://www.insureme.com/insurance/potent...ng-bullets
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Um, guys, since it has no chance of coming out of committee before the end of the year this thing is dead. It was an election year stunt by big city Dems. Breathe in and out and look at the sponsors and when they submitted the bill for God's sake.
Quote: INTRODUCED BY WATERS, V. BROWN, BISHOP, THOMAS AND JAMES, OCTOBER 17, 2012
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it will be put up for a vote in nov 7th to the 17th i got a call today telling me it will be voted on



billamj;29461 Wrote:Um, guys, since it has no chance of coming out of committee before the end of the year this thing is dead. It was an election year stunt by big city Dems. Breathe in and out and look at the sponsors and when they submitted the bill for God's sake.
Quote: INTRODUCED BY WATERS, V. BROWN, BISHOP, THOMAS AND JAMES, OCTOBER 17, 2012
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crazydazy86;29474 Wrote:it will be put up for a vote in nov 7th to the 17th i got a call today telling me it will be voted on



billamj;29461 Wrote:Um, guys, since it has no chance of coming out of committee before the end of the year this thing is dead. It was an election year stunt by big city Dems. Breathe in and out and look at the sponsors and when they submitted the bill for God's sake.

It won't make it to the floor for a full floor vote and even if it did it would be shot there. Add to that the simple fact that it wouldn't have time to make it to the Senate and that the Governor would veto it. This thing is dead.
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Just for shits and giggles, I emailed my state rep to get his official take. As previously posted, all of the sponsors are Filthadelphia demoncrats. This bill is going nowhere fast.
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I have a major head-ache ! So in lue of said statements , IS IT BETTER TO
STAY OFF THE RADAR , LOW PROFILE ,INVISIBILITY , What ?

Buy the gun , and what then ? Do's and don't's ? Nothing is clear anymore is it ? I feel the need of a CLOAKING DEVICE , tin-foil please ..???Shrug
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