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Yugo Underfolder - What Should I Know
#1
I'm currently looking to buy another AK. I have a WASR that I have no complaints with - at all. I want another.

As I look around, I see that the WASRs are currently selling for between $500/$550 on average, and while I'm not opposed to paying $500 for one if I need to in the current state we're in with the election recently behind us, I find myself wondering if it's finally time to just spend the extra money and get a "good AK".
It used to be that the difference in price between the lowly WASR and a quality AK was much greater, making the budget minded purchasing decision easy - "I'll take the $300 AK please."
Now that the price gap has narrowed, I find myself thinking that for just $100/$150 more, I could get something "better".

I received an offer to buy a CIA M70AB2 Yugo AK47 Underfolder for $650.

I hadn't considered an underfolder and since I was wanting to keep this purchase at $500 or less, I told him I MAY be interested, but only have the $500 at the moment. I thanked him for the offer and said I'd keep it in mind.
I know nothing more about the rifle at this point in time - I may request photos.
Are there any questions I should ask?


All that said, educate me on these underfolders!

The only things I know (or think I know) are:

(a) They are heavier
(b) They have a grenade launcher flip-up sight
(c ) The hand guards have "3 holes"
(d) The pistol grip looks different than all other AK grips (can it be changed?)
(e) Hard(er) to get a good cheek weld when shooting
(f) Can't install a wood (shoulder) stock (I started researching that tonight and that's the info I've found thus far)


I'm looking for pros/cons and info on compatibility with other AK parts - furniture, internals, whatever.
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#2
Beware of Century made AKs. Check the Henderson Defense website. They order a big lot of Century AKs and weed out the ones with quality control problems.

Other than that, you should know some aftermarket parts, mostly forends, are Yugo specific. The pistol grip is standard AK though. Any grip will fit.
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#3
I have a Yugo fixed stock and I love it! Fore grip is not interchangeable with standard AK parts, but replacements are available from Ironwood Designs. The pistol grip is interchangeable but there is a black ribbed grip that is sought after as original to Yugos. Mine came with finger grooves on the grip, so I changed it out for the Yugo grip. Century makes good guns, just check it out before you buy...make sure it doesn't have canted sights and excessive mag wobble. It will also use all AK variant mags but the original Yugo mags offer bolt hold open after the last round is fired! Otherwise, it should be good...after all, it's still an AK!!

Here is mine with the proper grip...It also has the bulged front trunion and heavier RPK style receiver.
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#4
Check the barrel. Original Yugo barrels were not chromed lined and many were actually used in a war and are trashed. Even if it's a new barrel, if it's not chrome lined you will want to clean it after shooting corrosive ammo. Doesn't sound like a big deal, but one thing I love about AKs is that you can be neglectful with them if you want to, and cleaning with soapy water after each range trip isn't my idea of fun. If you stick with new commercial ammo, it doesn't matter.

Also, some underfolder stocks can have a lot of wobble and it gets annoying. Check the lockup to see if it moves at all.

Finally, older Yugo folders are on 1.6 mm receivers and the newer ones are on 1 mm I believe. The thicker receivers tend to go for more money.

Don't let the Century thing bother you. I had a 1.6 mm Yugo with a rock solid folding stock and new US barrel and it was an incredible gun. Probably the only gun I regret selling.
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#5
what's the easiest way to tell an m70ab2 from a serb m70 clone?
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#6
Thanks guys!

I'm sending a request for more info and photos!

Thanks for not lecturing me on the folding stock. I'm aware of the commonly voiced concerns. I do wish I had a chance to see/shoot one in person just to be sure I can deal with it, but I'm thinking, "hey, I already have a WASR, why not get something different?"



Any further info will be appreciated!

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#7
Does anyone know if the Tapco G2 trigger will work in one?

I like the trigger in my WASR, but aside from that, I think it's nice to have triggers that are as similar as possible in "feel".


Also, can the Yugo underfolder be fired with the stock folded?
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Emptymag;49358 Wrote:Does anyone know if the Tapco G2 trigger will work in one?

I like the trigger in my WASR, but aside from that, I think it's nice to have triggers that are as similar as possible in "feel".


Also, can the Yugo underfolder be fired with the stock folded?

My M70B1 has G2 trigger in it. I have a Saiga Underfolder and I have fired it with the stock folded. You can also fold and unfold the stock with a mag in the well!
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A Reading from the Book of Armaments, Chapter 4, Verses 16 to 20:

Then did he raise on high the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch, saying, "Bless this, O Lord, that with it thou mayst blow thine enemies to tiny bits, in thy mercy." And the people did rejoice and did feast upon the lambs and toads and tree-sloths and fruit-bats and orangutans and breakfast cereals ... Now did the Lord say, "First thou pullest the Holy Pin. Then thou must count to three. Three shall be the number of the counting and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither shalt thou count two, excepting that thou then proceedeth to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the number of the counting, be reached, then lobbest thou the Holy Hand Grenade in the direction of thine foe, who, being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it."
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RocketFoot;49417 Wrote:
Emptymag;49358 Wrote:Does anyone know if the Tapco G2 trigger will work in one?

Also, can the Yugo underfolder be fired with the stock folded?

My M70B1 has G2 trigger in it. I have a Saiga Underfolder and I have fired it with the stock folded. You can also fold and unfold the stock with a mag in the well!

My old Yugo had a G2 in it as well. IIRC, it could not be fired with the stock folded.
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#10
The underfolder stocks wobble not because of quality but design. The stock is ripped off from the MP40. It's plenty strong for a 9mm pistol round but the 7.62x39mm can beat it up a bit.
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